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[#] Mon Jun 05 2017 17:27:45 EDT from Ragnar Danneskjold @ Uncensored

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AWK is still your friend.

[#] Mon Jul 10 2017 14:05:07 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

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I used it today. I use it every day. AWK!

[#] Tue Jul 11 2017 13:12:12 EDT from kc5tja @ Uncensored

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I virtually never use awk, but when I do, its value becomes immeasurable.

[#] Sun Sep 10 2017 17:01:47 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

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Last year, Snoracle announced that there would be no Solaris 12, but instead Solaris 11 would be updated forever (rolling release cycle, just like everyone else is doing these days).

Now, they've just announced that "Solaris 11.NEXT" (stupid name) won't be released this year; it'll be released in 2018. Maybe. They've also been laying off people in the Solaris and SPARC groups.

Are we at a point where we can call Solaris and SPARC a "legacy platform" yet? Rather than answer that question from an emotional-attachment point of view, let's try it this way: would anyone in their right mind deploy a *new* workload on Solaris or SPARC today?

[#] Mon Sep 11 2017 10:51:20 EDT from LoanShark @ Uncensored

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Possibly an Oracle server, but not any inhouse-developed code.

(I'm stretching here.)

[#] Mon Sep 11 2017 12:52:27 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

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Well sure, that's a trend that we're seeing with a number of vendors now (Oracle, IBM, Microsoft) if the customer is deploying [vendor] operating system it is because they're using it to run [same vendor]'s own server software.

The next step is "oh geez, it's just not worth it, we'll pick other software" (H-pukes is there now).

[#] Fri Sep 15 2017 06:39:47 EDT from fleeb @ Uncensored

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The only support for Solaris requested of us involves supporting a particularly ancient variant of the damned thing because it has so many vulnerabilities (and quite a few people still use it, unpatched, because it was otherwise solid) that they want to teach people how to hack into it. And why you should upgrade it, or maybe migrate to some other tools that can stay up to date if Solaris won't.

[#] Wed Sep 20 2017 09:20:26 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

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The other possible outcome might be for Solaris to become just a bunch of system software that sits on top of Linux, similar to Novell's "Open Enterprise Server" (Netware services without the Netware OS). Obviously it will be a lot easier for Snoracle to port their stuff to Linux than it was for Novell, since it's already unix.

Snoracle has their own Linux distribution, but it's really just a clone of Red Hat.

[#] Thu Sep 28 2017 09:49:44 EDT from bennabiy @ Uncensored

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Illumos has a lot of promise to keep the Solaris spirit alive, while being flexible. I personally use SmartOS for a hypervisor OS and it works wonders.



[#] Fri Sep 29 2017 09:35:25 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

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Aside from running software that was built to run on Solaris, what are the advantages Solaris has these days over Linux? ZFS, DTrace, Containers? Linux has equivalents of all of those now.

[#] Fri Sep 29 2017 10:12:47 EDT from zooer @ Uncensored

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If that is what this is.



[#] Fri Sep 29 2017 10:14:18 EDT from zooer @ Uncensored

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Ignore the above comment, somehow that comment ended up in this room.  I blame the chickens.



[#] Tue Oct 03 2017 15:47:45 EDT from fleeb @ Uncensored

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Well, I get the impression Solaris, at least in times past, was super-reliable.

Does it remain as reliable today as it was?

[#] Tue Oct 03 2017 16:51:05 EDT from LoanShark @ Uncensored

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Does anybody really know? ;)

[#] Tue Oct 03 2017 18:05:51 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

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Yes, it's still reliable.  The issue isn't that Solaris is no longer reliable; it is that Linux has closed the gap.  Nevertheless, die-hard Solaris admins will almost always tell you that Linux is strictly a desktop operating system.  But if they were to look at the horizon instead of at their glass of kool-aid they would be able to see the end of their career.

I look around our data centers and I don't see anyone deploying Snoracle machines for new workloads.  If I happen to see one and there's an admin nearby, they always say the same thing: "that's for our old [so-and-so legacy application] ... it'll be gone soon."  The same holds true for H/PUX or AIX systems.  No one wants to bother with the expense and specialized skillsets required to run these machines unless they have legacy workloads to support.

The bottom line here is that the "unix wars" of yore did come to an end, there was a definite winner, and it was Linux.



[#] Wed Oct 04 2017 03:56:03 EDT from fleeb @ Uncensored

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Next battle.... which distribution of linux?

[#] Thu Oct 05 2017 10:05:30 EDT from LoanShark @ Uncensored

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Not so much - docker is sorta making "distribution" into an almost irrelevant concept.

[#] Thu Oct 05 2017 13:53:05 EDT from fleeb @ Uncensored

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Heh... 'docker-os'...

[#] Thu Oct 05 2017 14:31:08 EDT from LoanShark @ Uncensored

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That's basically CoreOS - lightweight system designed to run docker containers and not much else

[#] Fri Oct 06 2017 00:24:10 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

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Easy to install, no dependency hell, portable across distributions ... what's not to like?

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