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[#] Thu Apr 07 2011 00:58:22 EDT from ambushbug @ Uncensored

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I'm just a grouchy old unix far that remembers before Linux existed.

[#] Thu Apr 07 2011 09:20:12 EDT from dothebart @ Uncensored

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well, vendor locck in...

there was a time when

'ldd /usr/bin/xxx' just gave you some verry few lines. This time is gone now, and because of that, you've got dependencies.

and since the most *BSD commandline counterparts to the gnu utils didn't even try to catch up in features, I just don't want a non-GNU userland anyways.

So, I can also use linux. The only good reason to run SPARC architecture is to check the portability of ones software.

(btw, you can have sun CC on linux too nowadays)



[#] Thu Apr 07 2011 11:43:00 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

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I've been running unix systems since the early 1980's. Plenty of old-skool experience here. I just think that Linux has pulled so far ahead of the others that it's barely worth using the others anymore.

Big piles of dependencies are a problem, though. That's mainly a function of laziness, I think. It's too easy to pull in this or that library and suddenly you've got 100 megs of crap just to run Hello World (or 1.5 GB of crap to run Hello World for Windows).

[#] Thu Apr 07 2011 12:55:12 EDT from Spell Binder @ Uncensored

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Don't quote me, but I think Micrsoft might have actually gotten it down to 1.4 GB for "Hello World" with Windows 7. :P

[#] Thu Apr 07 2011 18:15:06 EDT from dothebart @ Uncensored

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Do Apr 07 2011 12:55:12 EDT von Spell Binder @ Uncensored
Don't quote me, but I think Micrsoft might have actually gotten it down to 1.4 GB for "Hello World" with Windows 7. :P

lipstick on the vista-pig?



[#] Thu Apr 07 2011 19:10:14 EDT from ambushbug @ Uncensored

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7 seems more usable than vista. i keep it locked up in a vm where it cant mess up my real operating systems, and snapshit/revert can rescue it from self fubar.

[#] Thu Apr 07 2011 19:10:44 EDT from ambushbug @ Uncensored

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snapshit? snapshot!

[#] Fri Apr 08 2011 14:16:50 EDT from skpacman @ Uncensored

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(I think you had it right the first time... a snapshot of windows = snapshit)



[#] Sun Apr 10 2011 22:35:39 EDT from the8088er @ Uncensored

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I tend to be alpretty far over to the UNIX side with FreeBSD and Darwin on Macintosh. I love FreeBSD dearly and I just haven't found a Linux distribution I like, with a packaging system I understand.

I have an older Sun Fire 280R which is actually quite a nice machine. Dual 1.8GHz UltraSparc IIIcu processors, 8 GB of RAM. Dual 74.6 GB 10k RPM Fibre Channel drives. I hardly ever use it though. My desktop has enough power to spare for VMs and it's already enough of a space heater already without adding a rackmount server to the fire. I don't know what your V100 is like, but this sucker cranks out BTUs of heat and sounds like a small jet plane taking off.

[#] Thu Apr 14 2011 11:12:34 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

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Yes, this is what happens when you try to run Hello World on Windows 7:

http://i53.tinypic.com/flxdh1.png ]

 



[#] Thu Apr 14 2011 12:00:57 EDT from fleeb @ Uncensored

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Oh, yeah, I remember that part of the Windows 7 install.



[#] Tue Apr 26 2011 16:09:07 EDT from Ford II @ Uncensored

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to port NetHack or something to a new UNIX variant and go. Guess
things got a bit more complicate and vendor-locked-in (Linus is the
vendor now a days...)

Maybe a better way of looking at it is that linux is intolerably complex and you need a team of people to make it at all usable. Thus the "distro" was born.
They're like the middlemen sales people that you have to go through to buy a car or a house because you can't buy a car directly from toyota or buy a house just from gasp, the owner.

[#] Wed Apr 27 2011 14:20:04 EDT from Spell Binder @ Uncensored

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Actually...

I bought my current house directly from the previous owner. No real-estate agents involved.

[#] Tue May 03 2011 16:38:29 EDT from Ford II @ Uncensored

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Yeah, but you live in the boonies. ;-p
Actaully there are places.... I have a friend who bought a place in the desert in new mexico on a handshake. Not only were there no real estate agents, there were no LAWYERS.

[#] Mon Jul 04 2011 09:33:16 EDT from the_mgt @ Uncensored

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Di Apr 26 2011 22:09:07 CESTvon Ford II @ Uncensored
They're like the middlemen sales people that you have to go through to buy a car or a house because you can't buy a car directly from toyota or buy a house just from gasp, the owner.
That's why I like gentoo (fanboy alert!!), they are less of a salesmen, more of a library clerk. They set up some nice infrastructure to let you get packages from upstream, mess around with them and install them as you please. For you BSD advocates, their Portage packaging system is more or less some scripting language, the whole idea was derived from BSD Ports (of which I know nothing, I just read this information somewhere in the advertisement pamphlet...) [1]
My first Linux was a RedHat (around 1999) which I actually bought at MediaMarkt, but  it missed the neomagics gpu driver I needed for my Highscreen laptop (there are at least two cardinal sins in this sentence...). So I installed SuSE and while it was easy to use, I hated how YAST would ignore/overwrite/misinterpet my manual changes to config files. Firing up an editor was way faster than opening the whole YAST thing.
In 2003, I bought some VIA Epia boards (another cardinal sin), one as a router and one as a mediacenter, and the only distro which was able to support the hardware at that time was Gentoo. So I got Kofler's Linux bible and started to mess around. Since then I am in love. Btw, the two boards where in use just until last year. I still get angry at oversmart distro tools, still hate everything about debian and its derivates and the only time I accidently logged into a HP/UX I almost threw a fit because it's sed implementation is so damn useless, I wonder why they include it at all in their systems.
(This advertisement was proudly presented by Larry the Cow Dairy Products *jinglle*)
[1] Also, as http://funroll-loops.info puts it "Watching shit scroll by for hours makes me a Linux expert overnight!"


[#] Sat Jul 09 2011 02:24:51 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

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Linus was never in the business of delivering a finished end-user operating system.  He wrote a kernel and distributed it with instructions on how to combine it with other existing components to build a complete system.  The idea of a 'Linux distribution' is as natural as any commercial platform being integrated and packaged before shipping to the general public.

And how lucky we are that in the open source world, you can get Linux as a kit car (Gentoo), an enterprise workhorse (Red Hat), or a friendly end-user package (Ubuntu).

The intellectual trap which too many people fall into is that they think of the open source community as a single organization that they believe ought to have a unified agenda in order to compete with Microsoft, Apple, and Oracle.  That's not the case at all.  If you insist on looking at it that way, you must also look at the closed source community as a single organization which is in complete disarray because it has multiple operating systems that are completely incompatible with each other, some of which actually require specialized hardware in order to run at all!



[#] Mon Aug 15 2011 10:55:30 EDT from interrupt @ Uncensored

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i remember i set up a graphical bbs called Coconet under xenix. What a beast that was. I was actually thinking of competing with aol onl problem was the app was written buy some guy in san diego and he wouldnt accept any help for bugs from any of the subscribers. this was like i think 87-88. maybe a littler later. it was so long ago. I think thatt the best os ever was Amigados. i loved amigas :). That was one hell of a machine.

[#] Mon Aug 15 2011 10:57:44 EDT from interrupt @ Uncensored

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we used to actually paint our amigas back then. it was the machine of choice for me anyway. I" remember i assembled my first pc. i remember i had a 5mb hdd and i thought i was the shit :). haha. heck Amigas didnt even need hdd's ;D.

[#] Mon Aug 15 2011 11:09:52 EDT from fleeb @ Uncensored

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Heh... no, the Amiga benefitted tremendously for having HDs. I loved the 40meg HD I had for mine.

In retrospect, though, I think unix is a better OS than AmigaDOS. I loved AmigaDOS, but unix just feels cleaner by comparison.

Then again, unix back in AmigaDOS's time might not have been so great. I can't really say.

[#] Mon Aug 15 2011 15:07:48 EDT from fleeb @ Uncensored

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But what about that single point within the operating system where all the messages travelled (if I remember correctly)... where suddenly the entire operating system would hang until that queue cleared up.

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