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[#] Mon Sep 14 2009 07:51:13 EDT from dothebart @ Uncensored

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didn't google recently release something similar with less problems for comercial use?



[#] Mon Sep 14 2009 12:44:34 EDT from LoanShark @ Uncensored

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Bart: not that I'm aware of.
Ford: The Windows client GUI is bare bones but functional. The protocol however is WAAY faster than anything else I've tried for Linux, including: straight X11, X11 over SSH with compression, X11+LBX, VNC, and using RDP via a Windows host running Linux in a Virtualbox. (I haven't thoroughly investigated Virtualbox's built-in RDP server.)

[#] Mon Sep 14 2009 13:18:18 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

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Of course, X11 was designed to run over 10 Mbps Ethernet, and Ford probably has a 25 Mbps connection to the Internet at his house. :)

I've been meaning to try NX for a long time now, but never seem to get around to it.

[#] Mon Sep 14 2009 13:24:47 EDT from LoanShark @ Uncensored

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The issue with X11 is the latency. There are a lot of round trips in the protocol. I've been led to believe that NX has zero unnecessary round trips.

[#] Mon Sep 14 2009 13:26:12 EDT from LoanShark @ Uncensored

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I've been meaning to try NX for a long time now, but never seem to get

around to it.

With CentOS it's as simple as, yum install freenx, download and install the client, and paste the private key from the server to the client. (Yes, you read that right, I said paste the *private* key.)

[#] Mon Sep 14 2009 13:44:23 EDT from athos-mn @ Uncensored

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The private key thing has always kept me from using NX. It's great and much more secure - but since I could connect from any of 60 different locations, it's a real pain in the ass; and I haven't found a way to get around it (granted, I haven't tried lately).



[#] Mon Sep 14 2009 13:56:56 EDT from Ford II @ Uncensored

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I've tried most of what you have, the X, X over ssh, x11vnc, haven't tried nx lately.
vnc works, and everything else (X basically) just doesn't.
I have a really tiny pipe from my dev box in virginia to my desktop in new york and for years I was never able to run anything graphical on my machine because all my X, x+lbx and all that just didn't cut it.
But then I tried x11vnc, and the holy grail had arrived. It's not great, but it's usable, I was finally able to actually debug something ON my sun machine instead of running it locally in cygwin and hoping for the best when I built on sun.

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[#] Mon Sep 14 2009 13:58:16 EDT from Ford II @ Uncensored

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What I haven't tried yet, is vnc over sshh (my little really slow tcp over http proxy thing)
sshh is really bad for speed and latency, but it does function, xeyes runs and everything, but copying an mp3 is painful.
I must remember to try vnc.

[#] Mon Sep 14 2009 13:59:05 EDT from LoanShark @ Uncensored

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Well, it's the same key for all 60 locations. You can write it on a napkin or something and pass it around... or tattoo it on your forearm... oh wait it's a private key. I don't like the fact that it's the same key for all 60 locations, it's a slight misuse of public key crypto. But I think this can be worked around by editing .authorized_keys on the ~nx on the server. I haven't bothered because the private key is not the final authentication token by default. You still have to give your password.

So when you're going in from a new client, first you have to ssh in, grab the key from /etc, and then paste it into that text box on the windows client. After that, you're good to go.

[#] Mon Sep 14 2009 14:01:24 EDT from LoanShark @ Uncensored

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Ford: NX is basically VNC done better. The ssh stuff is integrated already and you don't have to do anything special with manually tunneling vnc over ssh. Also, NX works like "screen", with suspend and resume, and it supports XRandR (albeit in a limited fashion) so you can always get a desktop resolution that fits whatever client you happen to be using at the moment. VNC utterly lacks customizable resolutions, from everything I've seen so far.

[#] Mon Sep 14 2009 14:52:43 EDT from Ford II @ Uncensored

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That's another thing I've always wanted, a graphical version of screen. It sucks so much that you can't pull an X application from one machine to another while still running.
I'll add that to my list of things to check out.

[#] Mon Sep 14 2009 16:27:09 EDT from dothebart @ Uncensored

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Mo Sep 14 2009 14:52:43 EDT von Ford II @ Uncensored
That's another thing I've always wanted, a graphical version of screen. It sucks so much that you can't pull an X application from one machine to another while still running.
I'll add that to my list of things to check out.

go to sun*cough*oracle and by some sunrays. You can move your X-session arround with your chipcard.

LS, this one: http://www.techworld.com.au/article/310857/google_releases_open_source_nx_server



[#] Tue Sep 15 2009 10:23:24 EDT from dothebart @ Uncensored

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http://www.itworld.com/open-source/77409/why-users-dumped-your-open-source-app-proprietary-software

so... here we have some heuristica to find countermeasure for...



[#] Tue Sep 22 2009 17:45:34 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

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Larry Ellison spoke about the Oracle/Sun merger at an event last night, and for a moment hushed the crowd with the comment "we have no interest in being in the hardware business."

He then clarified that Sun is going to help Oracle "become a great systems company," not just a hardware or software company. He wants Oracle to be the like the *old* IBM (hmm ... that would be the IBM everyone loved to hate?).

"Not Lou Gerstner's IBM or Sam Palmisano's, but when IBM was the dominant software company in the world and translated that to being the dominant systems company." Ellison called that IBM "the greatest company on Earth."

Interesting times ahead, it seems.

Read more: http://tinyurl.com/km9pzy

[#] Tue Sep 22 2009 20:27:46 EDT from Ford II @ Uncensored

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That's what he wants, doesn't mean he will succeed.
SUN ain't no IBM.

[#] Tue Sep 22 2009 22:17:09 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

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On the other hand, Sun has always had excellent technology but a tendency to mismanage themselves into oblivion, while Oracle really knows how to execute in business even though their products are less than awe inspiring. Put the two together and they might really have something.

(And I'm really wanting to use the word "synergy" here but let's leave the corporate doublespeak for another day.)

[#] Tue Sep 22 2009 22:26:49 EDT from LoanShark @ Uncensored

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we've been trying for years to migrate certain of our databases from oracle to mysql. third party etl tools just can't touch oracle's remote materialized views at this point, at least in terms of ease of use. (oracle's stuff is of the "set it up and it just works" variety; informatica is like "set it up and it might eventually Just Work, after 5 years, if your developers are super genius.)

[#] Tue Sep 22 2009 22:33:28 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

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Yeah, it's solid, no doubt about that. I deliberately chose the words "less than awe inspiring" rather than "mediocre" because they definitely don't have a quality control problem. On the other hand, they don't have the techical coolness of some of the products that have come out of Sun over the years.

[#] Wed Sep 23 2009 15:51:03 EDT from Ford II @ Uncensored

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Speaking of things coming out of sun over the years...
I've noticed over the past 2 years the curiously large number of hardware failures we have with our sun equipment. Be they cpus that die or machines sieze up for no reason, or io performance coming to a crawl when you replace an EMC storage array card with a shiney new one from sun. Yes, sun equipment in sun equipment makes sun equipment perform badly.
So I asked my bloomberg buddy who has lots of years with sun and he says that yea, that basically sounds right.

Anybody else have experience like this with sun?

I always thought they were rock solid.

[#] Thu Sep 24 2009 00:07:54 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

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Generally the only time I've seen Sun equipment misbehave is when you get *out* of spec and try going cowboy on it.  Aside from that it tends to be "turn it on, run it for a decade" type of stuff.



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