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[#] Mon Nov 03 2008 15:17:17 EST from Ford II @ Uncensored

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perhaps the same people who helped these old people set up their tv in the first place will set up the digital converter for them as well.
It always struck me as kinda sad when people get so old that they just end up watching a lot of TV while they wait to die.
Maybe this will be good for them, they can go outside and play instead of watch more TV.

[#] Mon Nov 03 2008 15:24:41 EST from girthta @ Uncensored

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or break a hip.

[#] Mon Nov 03 2008 16:10:58 EST from fleeb @ Uncensored

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Interestingly, Melvin and I helped his great aunt & uncle with the issue.

I provided them with a much nicer television set (it was the one I used to use), and Melvin, I think, has helped them set the thing up. I think they already got a converter, so they should be okay.

[#] Wed Nov 05 2008 16:14:29 EST from Freakdog @ Dog Pound BBS II

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I always find it interesting that all the ads regarding this issue keep pointing people at a web site.

It's pretty likely, though, that most people who are on antennae aren't hooked up to the internet, either.

[#] Wed Nov 05 2008 16:18:16 EST from fleeb @ Uncensored

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Hm... I wonder how true that is.

I use an antennae, and the internet. But I don't think I'm the typical user.

[#] Wed Nov 05 2008 16:21:26 EST from Freakdog @ Dog Pound BBS II

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Hence the use of "most people" and not "all people". :-)

[#] Wed Nov 05 2008 16:29:21 EST from fleeb @ Uncensored

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To be sure. Just wondering. It'd be interesting to learn whether or not I really am the minority I suspect I am.

[#] Wed Nov 05 2008 16:32:24 EST from Peter Pulse @ Uncensored

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Well, I use an antenna as well. If you call a few feet of wire an antenna.
But actually I know a lot of people who watch very little TV, but who are big internet users.

[#] Wed Nov 05 2008 19:06:15 EST from Ford II @ Uncensored

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The sammich generation.
Think about it, after us (the generation behind us) they kids will probably watch tv less and less because they'll have things like hulu which they can use while they're facebooking.
TV is so uninteractive.
So there's the gramma generation (My gramma: "Vus is dooess dot com?") and us who are heavy internet people who don't have TV.
I had my windows replaced a few months ago and never got around to re running the wire for the aereal and haven't noticed until yesterday, at which point we went to the inlaws to watch the eletionapolis 500.

[#] Wed Nov 05 2008 19:25:12 EST from Peter Pulse @ Uncensored

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As mentioned I got rid of my satellite so my TV has just been sitting around not turned on. But I also now have a Dell monitor I got from my neighbor who is moving, that has an analog TV tuner input as well as DVI, VGA, s-video, composite.. around 6+ inputs. So since I wanted to watch or at least listen to the election coverage I just took a length of hookup wire and tried it in the 75 ohm antenna input on there, and it actually worked pretty well.
It worked better in that monitor than it did the last time I tried it, in my regular old TV which is I guess pushing 18 years old now and doesn't have as awesome chips in it as what you can get now for probably 25 cents...

[#] Wed Nov 05 2008 21:55:50 EST from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

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It helps that you're in the city and very close to the transmitters. The rest of us have to work a bit harder to pick up regional television stations.
:)

[#] Wed Nov 05 2008 23:34:33 EST from Harbard @ Uncensored

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I am a heavy internet user and I have a 50 inch plasma with antenna.  But I mostly use it to watch movies.  The only time I actually watch TV is if I am feeling particualrly stupid or lazy.

 

I also turned one of my computers into a 'fat' computer.  Wireless keyboard/mouse and hooked it up to the plasma.  All I need is a cooler of beer and I wouldn't have to move off the couch for hours.  The good news is, I hardly ever use it.



[#] Thu Nov 06 2008 01:25:36 EST from triLcat @ Uncensored

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no tv here. Tv in Israel sucks and there's a tv tax.

Anything we want to watch, we download or rent on dvd



[#] Thu Nov 06 2008 14:48:04 EST from BOFHMike @ My Castle Wall

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Mon Nov 03 2008 16:38:37 UTC from fleeb@uncnsrd (Uncensored)


My only real problem with digital television is my inability to pick it up.

Nobody has a signal strong enough to reach me. I could get analog, but digital is just too weak.

I don't see this changing in Feb next year. I think, if I want to watch television, I would effectively be forced to use cable, which I refuse to do.

It's not as much a problem for me, personally, as I don't watch television anymore anyway (except for work-related stuff). But I suspect this is going to be a terrible problem for people who live far away from station towers who do not want to get sats.
A bigger directional antenna should solve the problem.  I don't know the digital specs, but w/ the proper length elements on an 8' or 10' beam should do the trick for most people.  I have a 16' beam at my house in Northwestern Ontario along w/ 80' of tower.. not much I won't pick up.  Amplified antennas are great for the burbs, but if you're out in the boonies, nothing beats a real element 1/4 or 1/2 wave antenna. (mind you, you may need a tower to mount it to, and permits, etc...  but you'll pick up damn near everything in 75 miles if not more. ( disregaurding skips and harmonics.)

 

 

A couple of good resources:

http://www.tvfool.com - plug in your (USA) address and get all of the nearby DTV stations, and a compass to point your antenna with.

http://uhfhdtvantenna.blogspot.com/ - how to build your own bow-tie w/ reflector (attic mount 30-40 mile)

Mon Nov 03 2008 16:38:37 UTC from fleeb@uncnsrd (Uncensored)


My only real problem with digital television is my inability to pick it up.

Nobody has a signal strong enough to reach me. I could get analog, but digital is just too weak.

I don't see this changing in Feb next year. I think, if I want to watch television, I would effectively be forced to use cable, which I refuse to do.

It's not as much a problem for me, personally, as I don't watch television anymore anyway (except for work-related stuff). But I suspect this is going to be a terrible problem for people who live far away from station towers who do not want to get sats.
A bigger directional antenna should solve the problem.  I don't know the digital specs, but w/ the proper length elements on an 8' or 10' beam should do the trick for most people.  I have a 16' beam at my house in Northwestern Ontario along w/ 80' of tower.. not much I won't pick up.  Amplified antennas are great for the burbs, but if you're out in the boonies, nothing beats a real element 1/4 or 1/2 wave antenna. (mind you, you may need a tower to mount it to, and permits, etc...  but you'll pick up damn near everything in 75 miles if not more. ( disregaurding skips and harmonics.)

[#] Thu Nov 06 2008 22:54:51 EST from flynnfx @ Uncensored

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tril: How does the TV tax in Israel work? 

[#] Fri Nov 07 2008 06:44:54 EST from triLcat @ Uncensored

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if you own a tv, you pay about 600 shekels (US$180 these days) each year. It goes to support the national television channel, which is basically commercial-free. Many many many attempts have been made to add commercials and drop the tax, but for some reason, this vestige of socialism/communism remains intact.

[#] Fri Nov 07 2008 08:14:06 EST from Ford II @ Uncensored

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the BBC works just fine as well.

[#] Fri Nov 07 2008 08:50:33 EST from flynnfx @ Uncensored

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So does the CBC, but no TV tax in Canada.

I take it, tril, there are black vans that come around and can tell if you have an illegal tv? 



[#] Fri Nov 07 2008 11:00:54 EST from Freakdog @ Dog Pound BBS II

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A bigger directional antenna should solve the problem. I don't know the

digital specs, but w/ the proper length elements on an 8' or 10' beam should

do the trick for most people. I have a 16' beam at my house in Northwestern

Ontario along w/ 80' of tower.. not much I won't pick up. Amplified antennas

are great for the burbs, but if you're out in the boonies, nothing beats
a
real element 1/4 or 1/2 wave antenna. (mind you, you may need a tower to

mount it to, and permits, etc... but you'll pick up damn near everything
in
75 miles if not more. ( disregaurding skips and harmonics.)

You can also pick up signal boosters, though they allow interfering signals to be boosted and hose you up...at least, they did on analog.

[#] Fri Nov 07 2008 14:06:05 EST from girthta @ Uncensored

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So, can I ditch cable and hook up an old computer with wireless card to my TV (it's supported) for Dr Dan's sports? Then we could have just an antenna to the TV for local crap when we want to fry our brains but he would still have TV???

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