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[#] Mon Aug 14 2006 09:50:16 EDT from Ragnar Danneskjold @ Uncensored

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I guess I'm not the target audience for many commercials these days.

[#] Mon Aug 14 2006 09:58:39 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

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After you exit the "18 to 34 demographic" ... as far as Madison Avenue is concerned, you simply aren't important anymore. :)

[#] Mon Aug 14 2006 10:04:42 EDT from fleeb @ Uncensored

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As a tweener, I never was important.

[#] Mon Aug 14 2006 10:09:14 EDT from girthta @ Uncensored

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Ragnar- don't worry, commercials will be relevant for you again soon... AARP is waiting for you...


[#] Mon Aug 14 2006 10:11:13 EDT from wizard of aahz @ Uncensored

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Girty - That was mean.. And absolutely hysterical.

[#] Mon Aug 14 2006 10:17:32 EDT from girthta @ Uncensored

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oh, sorry. I honestly didn't mean for it to be mean.

Maybe I'm just a mean person? 



[#] Mon Aug 14 2006 10:21:38 EDT from fleeb @ Uncensored

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*laughing*

It comes across as 'just around the corner', as opposed to 'eventually'.

[#] Mon Aug 14 2006 10:22:59 EDT from wizard of aahz @ Uncensored

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<starts signing Ragnar up for AARP mailings>

[#] Mon Aug 14 2006 12:21:00 EDT from Ford II @ Uncensored

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After you exit the "18 to 34 demographic" ... as far as Madison Avenue

is concerned, you simply aren't important anymore. :)

what about the long tail?

[#] Mon Aug 14 2006 12:21:32 EDT from Ford II @ Uncensored

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Aug 14 2006 12:21pm from Ford II @uncnsrd
After you exit the "18 to 34 demographic" ... as far as Madison
Avenue

is concerned, you simply aren't important anymore. :)

what about the long tail?


heh, maybe ragnar's watchuing the wrong commercials.

[#] Mon Aug 14 2006 12:23:32 EDT from Ford II @ Uncensored

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I used to like more of the popular rap music, now a lot of it as T&A and such, but there are different parts to it.
It doesn't matter what eminem says it his songs, it's just amazing to listen to how he puts it together.
And I always go back to this, but there was plenty ofm usic in the run dmc/grandmaster flash days, though nowadays, from what little I hear anymore, it's not so musical.
But why ask musicians? What makes them the authority on music any more than rappers? why not ask rappers why they think people are listening to their music?

[#] Mon Aug 14 2006 12:25:15 EDT from fleeb @ Uncensored

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Er... are you suggesting that rappers aren't musicians?

[#] Mon Aug 14 2006 12:26:35 EDT from girthta @ Uncensored

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'cause I don't know any rappers personally. Though I would like to know Eminem and Rev Run. Rev Run 'case I respect hm. Eminem for the train wreck effect and he does seen pretty intelligent, though fucked up.

You should listen to backspin on Sirius. (I think XM has an equal) 



[#] Mon Aug 14 2006 12:42:16 EDT from Peter Pulse @ Uncensored

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Technically "rap" isn't music. Hip-hop is music, rap is just a vocal style.

[#] Mon Aug 14 2006 13:04:35 EDT from fleeb @ Uncensored

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No, that's entirely false.

Rap is as much music as hip-hop. It lacks certain melodic qualities, but you can find plenty of examples of music that lack melodic qualities.

Hell, if Glass can sit you down to about 4 minutes of silence and call that music, pretty much any sound organized by time can be declared music.

[#] Mon Aug 14 2006 13:14:45 EDT from Peter Pulse @ Uncensored

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Ok true. But I guess what I'm trying to say is that you don't often hear rap by itself. Yes there is a'capella rap and yes it is music. But when most people refer to rap they mean "that music" which includes rapping, dj work and the beat. Which is hip-hop.. a genre which includes a pretty wide range at this point. Calling hip-hop "rap" is like when people lump various styles of electronic dance music under "techno".

[#] Mon Aug 14 2006 13:22:17 EDT from fleeb @ Uncensored

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Rythm-and-blues is a sub-set of blues, but is still music.

Ragtime and blues are both subsets of jazz music, but they're still music.

I think rap music might be a subset of hip-hop, but I can't be sure of that... I don't really know that much about those genres. They're still pretty new.

I think it's kind of strange, but it seems like any music created by black artists wind up falling into the genre 'jazz'. I think some people think of Rap and Hip-Hop as jazz, although I don't really feel that way about it.

It's hard, sometimes, to discuss music objectively. We all bring our own ideas and tastes into the discussion, because aesthetics play a strong part in how we listen to music.

[#] Mon Aug 14 2006 17:10:58 EDT from Nite*Star @ Uncensored

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Aug 14 2006 9:58am from IGnatius T Foobar @uncnsrd
After you exit the "18 to 34 demographic" ... as far as Madison Avenue

is concerned, you simply aren't important anymore. :)



Unless you're gay. (see http://tinyurl.com/lkthc, and for a good background as to why this might be happening, see http://tinyurl.com/rxn2f (html translation from google of a PDF, original PDF can be found at www.primeaccess.net/Press/Harvard.pdf )

[#] Mon Aug 14 2006 17:28:52 EDT from Ford II @ Uncensored

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Er... are you suggesting that rappers aren't musicians?

some of them are, I expect most are not. Even the beastie boys said at one point that they had to start leaning how to play instruments. Depends on your perspective on the word musician. some peoeple think you have to play an instrument to be a musician. some don't
I know you're going to bring singing into this.
Well, since just about everybody has sung happy birthday, that makes everybody a musicain and therefore not a very good word to use to desribe a subset of the whole.

[#] Mon Aug 14 2006 20:10:43 EDT from Nite*Star @ Uncensored

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Ford, everyone is a musician (or at least most people ... not sure about the deaf/mute). But not everyone is a *professional* musician....

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