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[#] Mon Mar 15 2010 11:48:19 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

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I think I'd rather have radio control and remote cameras on my existing snowblower.
It would be nice to never have to leave the house while operating it.

[#] Thu Mar 18 2010 12:57:53 EDT from dothebart @ Uncensored

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reading into ajax push. Our Java guy pointed out this:

http://www.icefaces.org/main/ajax-java/ajaxpush.iface

which seems to be a good startingpoint to get to know the basic idea, but... you guess it, java bloat scalable as usual: one box doesn't take it? use 10. Our Protocol And Solution? somewhat Opensource but be shure to check out our professional offer.

then from the probably commercialy buzzworded term 'Ajax Push' our designer was told by s.b. else to look at 'comet':

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comet_%28programming%29

which seems to find two major clean open engeneered ways:

The xmpp guys: http://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0206.html  (which might be ok for webcits webchat application but didn't look at it so far)

and the Dojo guys: http://svn.cometd.org/trunk/bayeux/bayeux.html (which seems to apply some REST patterns and find a clean word on it)

 

Both enlighten a more open protocol. now being a fan of nginx, I wanted to find out whether somebody applied the dojo comet approach to it, and found:

http://pushmodule.slact.net/

WHEEEHUU!

now thats a way down from JAVA, SERVLET "ENTERPRISE" TOMCAT FOO via some (nice)open specificatorheads down to the Heres 10 lines of C I handle the load of 10 BIG FAT XEON BOXES with java foo in one 486 with 32 MB ram.

 



[#] Thu Mar 18 2010 17:52:36 EDT from LoanShark @ Uncensored

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LOL.

Java is perfectly scalable when implemented *properly*. We use it on our clickthrough tracking and one rather dated P4 or Opteron is capable of handling our entire load. That's even with Hibernate in the mix. The bigots amuse me. C is no way to build a web service.

[#] Thu Mar 18 2010 18:05:18 EDT from dothebart @ Uncensored

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That thing can handle a dozend sessions in the memory the java classpath of that icefoo :-P



[#] Thu Mar 18 2010 18:45:02 EDT from LoanShark @ Uncensored

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So what? RAM is cheepo.

[#] Thu Mar 18 2010 19:37:19 EDT from dothebart @ Uncensored

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Do Mär 18 2010 18:45:02 EDT von LoanShark @ Uncensored

So what? RAM is cheepo.

cheapo, but it got its price. And once its used up and no more fits in, you need another box

Facebook got 30% hardware savings out of transpiling php to c++; Maybe it would have been just 20% with a java solution. Interpreting isn't for free. No matter how much you pimp the interpreter, it won't reach the original.

And such a huge servlet frame work isn't for free either.



[#] Fri Mar 19 2010 10:28:22 EDT from LoanShark @ Uncensored

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Speculation. You're just backing off incrementally from your ridiculous 486/Xeon comparison. You're a smarter guy than that.

[#] Fri Mar 19 2010 11:28:32 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

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dothebart: if you find there are problems with Java, I'm sure Oracle would welcome some patches from you :)

[#] Fri Mar 19 2010 17:39:35 EDT from dothebart @ Uncensored

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no problems apart from that its an interpreted language where everybody wants to talk away the fact that this will be slower than native code.

just because of you store a pre-parsed copy of the interpreted code, thats no compiler. No body would call the zend-cache a JIT



[#] Sat Mar 20 2010 10:23:17 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

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THEY FINALLY DID IT!!!

http://www.pcworld.com/article/191896/commodore_64_awakes_from_slumber_with_makeover.html

I've been saying for years that it's time to bring back the Commodore 64 form factor -- that the idea of an iMac is 180-degrees backwards because you have to throw away a perfectly good LCD monitor every couple of years, and that they really should be building all of the computer's guts into the *keyboard -- not the monitor.

These people are doing it -- and they even LICENSED THE "COMMODORE" BRAND to draw attention to it.

I want one!

[#] Sat Mar 20 2010 10:34:12 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

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Cool!! The operating system installed by default is Ubuntu -- Windoze is available but it's an option, not the standard config. I like these people.
:)

Now if they really want to carry on the Commodore legacy they'll make it inexpensive enough for a cheapskate like me to buy one.

[#] Sat Mar 20 2010 12:13:22 EDT from cellofellow @ Uncensored

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Base OS is even Ubuntu, Windows costs extra.

Yes, they look AWESOME, definitely.

[#] Sat Mar 20 2010 13:57:46 EDT from skpacman @ Uncensored

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omg.... i want one..  badly..

 

How much are these with Ubuntu installed???



[#] Sat Mar 20 2010 20:48:22 EDT from LoanShark @ Uncensored

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Mar 19 2010 5:39pm from dothebart @uncnsrd
no problems apart from that its an interpreted language where
everybody wants to talk away the fact that this will be slower than
native code.

just because of you store a pre-parsed copy of the interpreted code,
thats no compiler. No body would call the zend-cache a JIT


zero clue, too.

you also missed the fact that nobody cares. programmers are more expensive than hardware.

[#] Sun Mar 21 2010 05:37:22 EDT from fleeb @ Uncensored

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Bad ones certainly are.



[#] Sun Mar 21 2010 09:28:19 EDT from LoanShark @ Uncensored

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Like the ones who don't have a proper understanding of their language runtime. Yes.

[#] Sun Mar 21 2010 16:51:42 EDT from dothebart @ Uncensored

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Sa Mär 20 2010 20:48:22 EDT von LoanShark @ Uncensored
Mar 19 2010 5:39pm from dothebart @uncnsrd
no problems apart from that its an interpreted language where
everybody wants to talk away the fact that this will be slower than
native code.

just because of you store a pre-parsed copy of the interpreted code,
thats no compiler. No body would call the zend-cache a JIT


zero clue, too.

you also missed the fact that nobody cares. programmers are more expensive than hardware.

depends on the number of users you're trying to address. at some scale it does matter if you need the double number of computing power.

In that case/scale i'm talking about, it probably is, since the nginx thing will work without db interaction.



[#] Mon Mar 22 2010 00:12:10 EDT from LoanShark @ Uncensored

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you're like totally babbling without context.

**refuses to engage in a babble of wits with an unarmed opponent**

[#] Mon Mar 22 2010 10:29:22 EDT from dothebart @ Uncensored

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in that case the hardware total needed at least equals my yearly income. (if not more)

And yes, another 30% do matter.



[#] Tue Mar 23 2010 20:49:17 EDT from Ford II @ Uncensored

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you also missed the fact that nobody cares. programmers are more
expensive than hardware.

And that's the reality. and it started being the reality in the early 90's I guess.
The purist in me agrees with dothebart but I've long ago given up giving a shit. Now I write really shitty java, because the equipment is so fucking fast it doesn't mtter if I use a String or a StringBuffer.
C is not dead though. For the web thereis no point but I went on an interview years ago for a job on the formula 1 team at UBS and they wanted somebody like me who if need be could count cycles because they did their implementation in java and no matter how much hardware you throw at it, one transaction just took too long.
so in that case (finance) the programmer can do something no amount of money on hardware can.

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