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[#] Sat Feb 06 2010 16:31:13 EST from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

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If by "lately" you mean "in the last 15 years" then yes, it's pretty bad.

If by "lately" you mean "in the last three days" then yes, it's pretty bad.

 



[#] Sun Feb 07 2010 23:28:06 EST from Spell Binder @ Uncensored

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I have seen the god-dammed frakkin' light of VMWare, and I'm butt-naked basking in it!!!

I've been trying to convert my retail version of Windows XP Pro SP2 into an OEM version for my father-in-law's computer (long story). Normally, I would've burned an actual CD to try out, but sometime during the process of research, it occurred to me, "Self, why don't you try VMWare or some other virtual machine thing-a-ma-bob?"

Holy crap!

If I had stuck to my plan of burning CDs, I'd have gone through at least three blanks by now, and it would've taken at least twice as long. Instead of burning to disc, I just tell Nero to create a bootable ISO file, then tell VMWare Player to create a virtual machine based off that ISO, and I'm good to go! It's already saved me a lot of time and frustration, and it's all pretty slick and runs very well on my host system running Windows XP Pro SP3.

I have seen the light my VM brothers and sisters and will be doing the good work spreading the news!

Can you tell I'm a just a little enthusiastic about this? :)
VM Binder

[#] Mon Feb 08 2010 08:08:58 EST from skpacman @ Uncensored

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If you like VMWare, you'd love Sun Microsystems VirtualBox.

same thing, better support, better extensions, FREE, no need for liscensing, does everything VMWare does, FREE,... and works on most OS's and runs most OS's.. i havent found 1 OS it cant run... yet...



[#] Mon Feb 08 2010 08:20:10 EST from fireball @ Uncensored

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For all the ways I theoretically like VMs, I can't convince myself to
run it on anything more then shared servers. I've found I have nearly
no reason whatsoever to run an alternative OS other then video games,
and VMWare does worse on games for me then WINE does.

[#] Mon Feb 08 2010 08:25:30 EST from skpacman @ Uncensored

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agreed, i prefer wine whenever i can, but if it's something that wine just cant handle (i.e. AutoCAD 2010, WindowsLive, etc.)... you gotta toss a VM at it or run a different box or else you cant run it at all...

I found Play On Linux makes most wine installations fairly painless. I even got my own MuOnline client to work using PlayOnLinux settings. :)



[#] Mon Feb 08 2010 10:35:24 EST from Spell Binder @ Uncensored

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Until now, I haven't had a need for a virtual machine, either, but the ability to test a specific OS configuration or install without having to burn a CD, boot a machine, wait to see if it works or not, is definitely a time-saver.
Since I'm the family IT-guy, I've had to do a lot of these tasks before, and this technology will definitely make it easier.
Spell

[#] Mon Feb 08 2010 10:48:26 EST from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

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same thing, better support, better extensions, FREE, no need for
liscensing, does everything VMWare does, FREE,... and works on most
OS's and runs most OS's.. i havent found 1 OS it cant run... yet...

Live migration? Support for parallel access filesystems (VMFS running on a SAN for example)? Automatic failover from one host system to another? Bare metal hypervisor? Total footprint of 32 MB or smaller?

I'm a dyed-in-the-wool open source fanatic, but you can have my VMware when you pry it from my cold dead fingers.

[#] Mon Feb 08 2010 13:47:30 EST from Ford II @ Uncensored

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If you like VMWare, you'd love Sun Microsystems VirtualBox.

same thing, better support, better extensions, FREE, no need for
liscensing, does everything VMWare does, FREE,... and works on most
OS's and runs most OS's.. i havent found 1 OS it cant run... yet...

I think he's got that backwards. vmware is at the moment anyway superior to virtualbox (in my opinion only) but vbox certainly has caught up a lot in the past year or so.

[#] Mon Feb 08 2010 13:47:57 EST from Ford II @ Uncensored

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OS's and runs most OS's.. i havent found 1 OS it cant run... yet...

It can't run mac osx.

I have (or at least had) a maxosx running in vmware.

[#] Mon Feb 08 2010 15:43:13 EST from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

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VirtualBox is irrelevant. Xen is irrelevant. In terms of open source virtualization, the only hypervisor that matters is KVM. KVM has been blessed by Red Hat, Canonical, and Linus Torvalds.

KVM is also half baked right now, so there's no point in using it yet. However, since it is backed by everyone who matters, KVM will inevitably become *the* open source hypervisor.

Give it a couple of years to shake out. Three years from now, all new deployments will be either VMware (because it's the best, by far), KVM (because it will be *the* open source choice), and Hyper-V (because the world is still full of stupid people who choose Microsoft products).

In the meantime, it's VMware's game.

[#] Tue Feb 09 2010 08:05:23 EST from ax25 @ Uncensored

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Mon Feb 08 2010 03:43:13 PM EST from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored
KVM is also half baked right now, so there's no point in using it yet. However, since it is backed by everyone who matters, KVM will inevitably become *the* open source hypervisor.

Give it a couple of years to shake out. Three years from now, all new deployments will be either VMware (because it's the best, by far), KVM (because it will be *the* open source choice), and Hyper-V (because the world is still full of stupid people who choose Microsoft products).

In the meantime, it's VMware's game.

 

Crap, gotta stop using KVM.  I have been using it along with libvirt http://libvirt.org/ and it has a wonderfull shell for doing the usual tasks.  I have found the load to be much less than the couple of VMWare Server installs I have done to date.  Took a little bit to create some XML files for each "machine", but it is pretty kick ass once you figure that part out (for libvirt).  Install from iso is nice.  Remote vnc is not the greatest for the install, but with evil cable internet on one end and bandwidth a-plenty at the colo, it beats driving and listening to fans every time!



[#] Tue Feb 09 2010 12:54:09 EST from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

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Sure, once you've got it working, it's a great little hypervisor. At the moment it's missing a lot of the bells and whistles though. I'm sure it'll be killer once the ecosystem around it matures a bit.

[#] Wed Feb 10 2010 19:38:21 EST from Ford II @ Uncensored

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I will amend my position: today I found out the the usb management in vbox is better than vmware.
But let's also point out we're comparing apples to oranges.
vbox is like vmware desktop, those two you can compare, and I think vbox is a close second, but vbox isn't even in the same category as the other vmware products (whatever they call esx and gsx nowadays)

[#] Sat Feb 13 2010 17:08:55 EST from Ford II @ Uncensored

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I've finally done it.
I've got this kickass core2 quad that I paid too much money for, and I have never been able to use all of it.
But now I'm using DeVeDe to create three DVDs and I'm ripping a dvd, and I've got the whole machine pinned.
And I'm watching the core temperature rise....
Finally getting my money's worth though.

Really makes me wonder what DeVeDe is doing so much, it could probably be more efficient.

[#] Mon Feb 15 2010 20:20:07 EST from LoanShark @ Uncensored

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And I'm watching the core temperature rise....

Oh ignore that. Most monitoring software has no idea about the true nature of the core temp calibrations, and gives you a heat alert far too early. The readout is not really degrees celsius or even degrees anything anymore, they have given up on that. The only thing Intel will guarantee is that their sensor readouts are good enough for regulating fan speed and, hopefully, preventing heat death.

[#] Tue Feb 16 2010 07:56:21 EST from skpacman @ Uncensored

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unless you have a home-brew temp sensor (RTD, Thermistor, etc.) embedded in your heatsink connected to a digital readout :)

http://www.thermistor.com/productsDirecTemp.php

We use some of these at my place of work (http://www.heatron.com)



[#] Tue Feb 16 2010 14:52:09 EST from Ford II @ Uncensored

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I don't care what the number itself is, but I think it's useful to note it's normal operating temperature number, and the high range of numbers so I can see when it's getting too high.

[#] Tue Feb 16 2010 14:52:52 EST from Ford II @ Uncensored

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I mean the temperature iself is meaningless. Who cares if it runs at 90celcius or 200 celcius, like anybody cares what their car engine temp is, it only matters that it not overheat.

[#] Tue Feb 16 2010 15:01:02 EST from LoanShark @ Uncensored

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I don't care what the number itself is, but I think it's useful to
note it's normal operating temperature number, and the high range of
numbers so I can see when it's getting too high.

Well, I don't have the thermal design reference in front of me at the moment (but I actually read it back when I was curious) but basically the numbers are just a delta to an arbitrary calibrated point (which is not even published) which represents the point where the fan needs to be spinning full speed. Get too much beyond that, and the thing will just shut down anyway. So the only way you should ever get a too-high readout is if the cutoff circuit and/or sensor is malfunctioning in the first place - kind of a chicken and egg problem.

The above applies to the new-style sensors. The old style sensors (which appear to be still present) appear to be even less useful.

[#] Tue Feb 16 2010 18:16:34 EST from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

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Time to consider liquid cooling, super overclocking, and neon tubes mounted inside a PC case made of transparent plexiglas.

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