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[#] Tue Aug 25 2009 11:22:40 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

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At least they don't sell CPU's like they sell consumer Internet bandwidth: "supports speeds UP TO 2.4 GHz"

[#] Tue Aug 25 2009 12:46:41 EDT from Ford II @ Uncensored

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So in fact overclocking may be a reasonable endeavour and it's just pot luck whether you got a good crippled chip or if you have an actual broken one...

[#] Tue Aug 25 2009 13:00:46 EDT from skpacman @ Uncensored

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Tue Aug 25 2009 12:46:41 PM EDT from Ford II @ Uncensored
So in fact overclocking may be a reasonable endeavour and it's just pot luck whether you got a good crippled chip or if you have an actual broken one...

Exactly.

My chip has been sucessfully pushed from 2.4ghz to 2.7ghz without any heat or stability issues. I actually fear pushing it past 2.7ghz because of my older mobo. I tried to OC my wife's older AMD and it crashed horribly.. at least I saved the chip and is till in "working" condition... It's really just the luck of the draw.

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[#] Tue Aug 25 2009 19:27:07 EDT from LoanShark @ Uncensored

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A lot of what's being said about overclocking in this thread is just wrong.


1) Core 2 Duo is the king of overclocking, and it has nothing to do with how processors test. Remember: in the Pentium IV days, processors were optimized to run within a 130 watt thermal envelope. Intel realized this was wrongheaded when they moved to the Core 2 architecture, as has been discussed ad nauseum all over the internet. So they targeted a 65W thermal envelope for Core 2 Duo, for a couple different reasons. First, because they could: P4 was 3-issue, C2 is 4-issue and has lots of power gating and is more efficient in many other ways; they could build a 65W processor that outperformed the previous generation 130W processors. But the thermal headroom is still there. When people started building C2D systems, they kept putting the old 130W heatsink designs on them. The chips themselves were built using a lot of process technology knowledge that was gained during Intel's struggles with the high frequencies and high clock speeds of the P4. So they have headroom to be pushed. Secondly, the 65W envelope that was chosen for the C2D was somewhat artificial. It came about because C2D was always intended to be half of a quad-core solution, whicn would bring the total right back up to 130 again. So again, these C2D's are being somewhat artificially limited. Because Intel is not saying, ok we're not going to ship this chip if it doesn't work reliably at x MHz. They are saying, we're going to validate it at x MHz and y voltage, in order to fit within 65W and optimize the lifespan of the part. And if it needs more voltage to run at that speed, then they'll bin it lower. But that doesn't mean it won't work just fine with a little more voltage.

2) Nehalem doesn't really need those 3 channels of memory. The third channel only buys you between 1 and 5 percent on typical desktop apps including 3D gaming. Maybe it's useful for a database server. Wait for the P55 chipset which will only have 2 channels.


3) A lot of people are having pretty good overclocking results without even raising voltage, on the newer Intel chips, assuming a good cooling solution.

[#] Tue Aug 25 2009 23:25:19 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

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I'm interested in hearing more people's answers to the "Is it worth it?" question.

[#] Tue Aug 25 2009 23:31:57 EDT from Harbard @ Uncensored

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It is not worth it....unless you like messing around with things.  I know guys that put $5000 worth of accessories on a $2000 car...is it worth it?  You can take a $600 1911 and do several thousand dollars worth of modifications to make it shoot better....if that makes you happy why not?  I have tried some overclocking and found it's more trouble than it's worth.  The only real succes I've had was with my video card.  Trying to over cl,ock your CPU requires very careful component selection to begin with.  It will shorten the life of you computer also.  I build a new computer every other year so that wouldn't matter.  I just always make sure I have one box that just works.



[#] Wed Aug 26 2009 07:45:23 EDT from skpacman @ Uncensored

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LoanShark - Thanks for the info, I was never aware of all that..

All I know is my experience with my Intel Core2 Quad Q6600 2.4GHz. Mine required a slight voltage boost to get it to OC correctly and once I got all of the settings right I only achieved 2.7GHz. I know OC is hardware dependant and it's easier to OC your graphics card than your CPU but I just wanted to see what kind of speeds I could get with my combo. I've only commented on my experience with my processor, none other.

Next time I try to OC something i'll look more carefully at what's being said about my chip.

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[#] Wed Aug 26 2009 08:06:49 EDT from Ford II @ Uncensored

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I guess things arent like the good old days.

[#] Wed Aug 26 2009 08:13:23 EDT from Ford II @ Uncensored

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okay, so I haven't built a machine in a long time.
half the parts showed up yestrday.
the motheboard has 3 fan jacks on it.
one for cpu two for system
what am I supposed to hook the system fans up to.
As in where do I put them, are they supposed to be big 5 inch case fans or do they sit on top of the heatsinks on the baord of which there is only one.

and being as im so out of it.
what is north side south side front side bus, where are they, do they get hot and require separate cooling?

[#] Wed Aug 26 2009 09:21:35 EDT from skpacman @ Uncensored

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Wed Aug 26 2009 08:13:23 AM EDT from Ford II @ Uncensored
okay, so I haven't built a machine in a long time.
half the parts showed up yestrday.
the motheboard has 3 fan jacks on it.
one for cpu two for system
what am I supposed to hook the system fans up to.
As in where do I put them, are they supposed to be big 5 inch case fans or do they sit on top of the heatsinks on the baord of which there is only one.

and being as im so out of it.
what is north side south side front side bus, where are they, do they get hot and require separate cooling?


North Bridge is what talks to your memory (assuming you dont have tri-channel), the ram itself might need cooling if it's high-performance but it's not required. Most likely, the other 2 connections are case fans. What model motherboard is it?

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[#] Wed Aug 26 2009 10:32:52 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

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It is not worth it....unless you like messing around with things.  I know


Hack value is a totally legitimate reason, even if a bit impractical.

[#] Wed Aug 26 2009 10:33:08 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

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I guess things arent like the good old days.

Well, you know what they say -- the good old days aren't what they used to be.

[#] Wed Aug 26 2009 14:33:51 EDT from Ford II @ Uncensored

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p45 neo3 or p43 neo3 Not sure which
Does that mean anything to you?

[#] Wed Aug 26 2009 15:08:47 EDT from skpacman @ Uncensored

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Wed Aug 26 2009 02:33:51 PM EDT from Ford II @ Uncensored
p45 neo3 or p43 neo3 Not sure which
Does that mean anything to you?

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813130180

That one??

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[#] Wed Aug 26 2009 16:31:18 EDT from skpacman @ Uncensored

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Wed Aug 26 2009 04:21:36 PM EDT from Ford II @ Uncensored

*drool* nice motherboard..

anyways...  yes.. i'd say one connection goes to cpu fan and other two are for case fans. It has the same fan connections as my motherboard which is one cpu fan, one rear case fan and one side case fan.

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[#] Wed Aug 26 2009 20:46:25 EDT from Ford II @ Uncensored

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YEah, I have this nice case I was saving to set this all up in.
I put the powersupply in, then went to put the motherboard in, and noticed that it don't fit.
Yea, apparently it's a miniatx case. Silly me.
So the only other case I have doesn't have a hole in the side. Maybe I'll make one.
So air is supposed to go IN the side or out? If it goes out, and it goes out the power supply, where's the intake supposed to be?

[#] Thu Aug 27 2009 01:40:40 EDT from Harbard @ Uncensored

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I don't want to advertise for anyone but....

http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/searchtools/item-Details.asp?EdpNo=5201966&sku=B69-0121&SRCCODE=WEM2010BY&cm_mmc=Email-_-Main-_-WEM2010_-components

This is a hell of a deal.  quad core, terabyte SATA drive.  The only downside seems to be the power supply.  Seems kinda small to me.

 

 



[#] Thu Aug 27 2009 07:11:16 EDT from Ford II @ Uncensored

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2 gig of memory doesn't buy you a ticket on the bus anymore. its a decnt deal but like all the other deals I found, you can't get a great machine fro a deal.

[#] Thu Aug 27 2009 07:11:41 EDT from Ford II @ Uncensored

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and I read that linux does do well on asus boards.

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