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[#] Tue Apr 07 2009 11:38:31 EDT from dothebart @ Uncensored

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I realy love to have found a job in a unix booth in an acceptable range.

though most of my collegues do their work on wintendos (the VS 6 debugger is so much better than gdb ... *coughcough*) I've found my way to use Linux as my primary development platform and workstation.

Tools like valgrind and kprof and a native environment to develop milters on have strengthened my position with that choice.

Many of our customers installations run on Solaris, so i've got to make my way through that too (and my unix afinity probably helps me here) plus there are some others running different flavours of linux.

so... its got its drawbacks, but I wouldn't trade them to be forced to do windows development again.



[#] Tue Apr 07 2009 11:42:02 EDT from dothebart @ Uncensored

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btw... fleeb... on unison... USE THE SOURCE LUKE!

its fucking there so stop whining and add the features you need.



[#] Tue Apr 07 2009 17:40:04 EDT from fleeb @ Uncensored

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Sure, yeah, I can modify the code to Unison. No problem.

Except, of course, that I didn't have time. I had to get my entire project finished that day, and fucking with Unison was only a portion of the full project that I needed accomplished.

I managed to gain my goals working with their design as it was. It isn't perfect, but it'll do until I can make the changes I need to make.

But, honestly, I'd rather use rsync. That project is already maintained by folks who really know the domain, and the tool will do exactly what I want.
So, I just need to modify all my XP Embedded images to work properly with rsync. I suspect I can pull this off now (by adding the NUL: device), so I'll give that a shot when time permits.

And that's really the issue. I only whine when I don't have time to dick around with someone else's tools. I did not expect to use Unison, and honestly, I didn't have the time to sit down and understand why they designed it the way they did. For my needs, though, it's terrible. Shitty product. I'm sure it's perfect for what it was designed to do, though, but it was absolutely terrible for my needs.

[#] Tue Apr 07 2009 19:40:53 EDT from Ford II @ Uncensored

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I think dick around is an appropriate term here.
Everybody says "oh just look at the source, and fix it."
Anybody who says that doesn't spend a lot of time doing that or they'd know that there's a huge learning curve to figure out where the piece you want to fix is.
and you're supposed to do this for lots of systems as you need them?
Right.

[#] Wed Apr 08 2009 11:24:59 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

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That sort of misses the point.

Not everyone is going to become an expert at the internals of every program for which source is available.

The idea is that if everyone is a potential developer for a program, the chances are higher that any given issue will be fixed by *someone* with enough motivation. Multiply that times the number of programs and the number of potential developers and you end up with a vastly improved model for fixes and enhancements.

[#] Wed Apr 08 2009 12:30:13 EDT from fleeb @ Uncensored

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Open source is a good idea, overall. It certainly seems to provide a better model for Getting Things Done than the closed source model.

However, I was responding to the 'quit whining' post by pointing out that, in this instance, I lacked the motivation (or, if you will, time) to address the issue.

Now, if I really wanted to get into it, I could probably point out that the project addresses a problem other than the one I faced, and my attempts to 'subvert' the project to my own ends would likely be a terrible design decision.
I wanted a file mirror... they provide file synchronization. Those are different needs, and they probably lead to different designs.

But, honestly, I am passed the issue now. I'll figure out some way to get rsync to work properly on those machines, and then be happy.

[#] Wed Apr 08 2009 14:31:39 EDT from Ford II @ Uncensored

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The idea is that if everyone is a potential developer for a program,

the chances are higher that any given issue will be fixed by *someone*

with enough motivation. Multiply that times the number of programs and

the number of potential developers and you end up with a vastly
improved model for fixes and enhancements.

Yes. Sounds great. Even if it's true though, it depends on the numbers. In fleebs case, it didn't work.
If the percentage goes from 0.001 to 0.01 from paid support to get a bug fixed to open source people getting around to it, I question if all that hype is really worth anything.
I wonder if anybody's ever really done a study about such things.
Now that I think about it, I would expect decent numbers from the paid support fixes becuse they're getting paid, they have more motivation to fix i.
it.
The only motivation most open source people have is "this isn't working, can somebody PLEASE FIX IT ALREADY" and then there's the few who will actually have the time to go in and fix it, because it is hampering their personal use.
Makes one wonder. I can imagine decent sides for both arguements, I wonder which one is true.

I'd bet some loud magazine pundit could pitch that idea to MS and get them to pay a lot of money to prove it one way or the other, or in MS's case, that the MS way is better.
But even if they lie about the results, the data would have been gathered, SOMEBODY would know the actual answer.

[#] Wed Apr 08 2009 14:38:28 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

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The argument for paid support is that with open source, you have a vastly larger number of people who you can pay to work on specific issues.

[#] Wed Apr 08 2009 14:38:55 EDT from fleeb @ Uncensored

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Well, there's one case where I *almost* went to the trouble to fix it, before I figured it was too much trouble.

The Bamboo Fun tablet doesn't work too well with GIMP, and I hoped to fix it (since it's an open source driver screwing it up... GIMP's driver, that is). But I couldn't figure out how to build the Windows version of the thing, so I gave up.

Which is sort of another issue with some open source projets. It has to be relatively easy to get started on compiling the stuff before you can have the greater number of people working on the thing. Because, during my off-hours, I don't really want to spend a lot of time co-ercing something into compiling.

[#] Wed Apr 08 2009 19:30:26 EDT from dothebart @ Uncensored

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Mi Apr 08 2009 14:38:55 EDT von fleeb

Which is sort of another issue with some open source projets. It has to be relatively easy to get started on compiling the stuff before you can have the greater number of people working on the thing. Because, during my off-hours, I don't really want to spend a lot of time co-ercing something into compiling.

yea, same here with opensync. failed to compile it.

 

btw, you could sugest microsoft to add the features to their suitcase so it does what you want ;-P



[#] Wed Apr 08 2009 23:09:07 EDT from Ford II @ Uncensored

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The argument for paid support is that with open source, you have a
vastly larger number of people who you can pay to work on specific
issues.

Fair enough. Does anybody actually do that though?

[#] Wed Apr 08 2009 23:10:05 EDT from Ford II @ Uncensored

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Maybe I should revisit my hatred of autoconf.
Or have they moved onto something 'better'?

[#] Thu Apr 09 2009 03:34:07 EDT from dothebart @ Uncensored

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no, autoconf is still the same clunky big thing. There is however, cmake arround, which is used by kde now. I don't realy see the advantage next to it being better in some places. I'd compare it with cvs and svn, same concepts, two implementations, cmake might have its point.

then there is scons, done in python, which replaces configure and make to eventualy leave you out in the python dependency hell, and the need to do python.



[#] Thu Apr 09 2009 09:33:18 EDT from fleeb @ Uncensored

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btw, you could sugest microsoft to add the features to their suitcase so
it
does what you want ;-P

Heh... Microsoft already does provide it, sorta. It's called DFS, and you have to pay an absurd amount of money for it. I'll stick with other solutions for now.

[#] Fri Apr 10 2009 07:18:10 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

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Fair enough. Does anybody actually do that though?

Yes. Think "outsourcing" and the picture becomes clearer.

[#] Fri Apr 10 2009 14:11:45 EDT from Ford II @ Uncensored

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I have a new problem.
I have a laptop, I just replaced the hard drive, and now I notice is has no cd rom drive with which to install new OS.
What to do?
I don't have an external cd rom drive. I don't have a usb drive, and this laptop probably wouln't boot it anyway. Suggestions?

[#] Fri Apr 10 2009 14:16:05 EDT from athos-mn @ Uncensored

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Does Slackware still support install via FTP?

[#] Fri Apr 10 2009 16:51:26 EDT from Ford II @ Uncensored

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no, no floppy drive. It's got an ethernet port and a usb port.
I thin I can use my treo as a usb drive, but I don't think I can install a boot image on it.

[#] Fri Apr 10 2009 18:02:35 EDT from Ford II @ Uncensored

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Subject: New ICANN TLDs May Cause Internet Land Rush
wiryd writes "A new ICANN proposal would allow applications for
almost any TLD. From the article: 'Tourists might find information

about the Liberty Bell, for example, at a site ending in .philly. A

rapper might apply for a Web address ending in .hiphop. "Whatever is

open to the imagination can be applied for," says Paul Levins,
ICANN's vice president of corporate affairs. "It could translate into

one of the largest marketing and branding opportunities in
history."'"



Finally

[#] Fri Apr 10 2009 18:10:54 EDT from Ragnar Danneskjold @ Uncensored

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Finally?

Fuck that.

Do you know what sort of problems this is going to cause? Do you know how many lawsuits this is going to open up?

Do you know what kind of marketplace confusion will happen?

Wait until there are clones of your own site in foreign nations with a different TLD, and there isn't a damn thing you can do about it.

I don't see any good coming out of this at all.

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