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[#] Mon Jan 05 2009 22:23:26 EST from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

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Sadly, Palm will probably end up in history as one of those companies that defined a category and then faded away. Kind of like Netscape, except without the egomaniacs.

[#] Fri Jan 09 2009 20:11:34 EST from Ragnar Danneskjold @ Uncensored

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Something IG and I have talked about in length may just make a comeback....

The computer built into the keyboard, ala the C64.....

[#] Fri Jan 09 2009 23:17:49 EST from Ladyhawke @ Uncensored

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That's really cool!

[#] Sat Jan 10 2009 00:30:44 EST from flynnfx @ Uncensored

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That's an interesting device - I wonder what the price will be?

[#] Sat Jan 10 2009 15:06:36 EST from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

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There are a couple of manufacturers building keyboard form factor machines, but they're considered premium hardware because they use laptop technology and build them in small volumes.

What needs to happen is that they find a way to build them using cheap desktop components and ship in volumes high enough to make them the lowest price form factor out there. I'd be ok with a chassis the size of an Amiga 500 or Atari ST if they could get the price down.

[#] Sat Jan 10 2009 20:39:35 EST from Ford II @ Uncensored

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But if you can't swap out parts or add stuff, how is it different from a laptop with a detached screen?

[#] Sat Jan 10 2009 21:44:10 EST from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

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It isn't much different, and that's why I think they're shooting for the wrong part of the market. The currently available machines are specialty units designed for places where a mini tower is impractical, and they're expensive.
The "kEeeboard" appears to be aimed at the premium home computer market.
I think the ideal market is at the low end - the millions of computers that sit in front of typical, boring PC users who just run simple office automation tasks all day. They're not gamers, they're not developers, they're not mobile users, they just sit there and run email and web browsers and spreadsheets and word processors and maybe some locally built applications. They're not going to be installing any special video cards, they're not going to be doing anything unusual, they just need their basic desktop to come up and run. A low-end machine built into a keyboard is ideal. Even if they need to throw some extra hardware onto it, they're probably going to use SB anyway. That's the big deal -- and it's the reason that you've heard this lecture from me before, but this time it's not about thin clients. I still think thin clients are ideal for this type of user, but a Commodore-style PC would be ideal if you have users who occasionally plug in a digital camera or an external drive, or who are located within organizations too small to have a server.

[#] Sat Jan 10 2009 22:46:17 EST from Ford II @ Uncensored

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Okay, but then what you're doing is building a laptop and calling it a pc in a keyboard.
The reason laptops are expensive is because it's not trivial to shove all that shit into a small space.
If it was, laptops would be as cheap as desktops and nobody would have desktops and there'd be no need for a keyboard PC.

[#] Sat Jan 10 2009 23:30:53 EST from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

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Yes, and that's why I'm suggesting that they make the cheapo machines the size of an Amiga 500 or Atari ST. You could easily fit a generic MicroATX motherboard and a generic CD or DVD drive in a chassis that size. You might even be able to get a power supply in there.

That's the idea. Build them using the smallest non-laptop components available, build them cheap, and sell them to the low end.

Small businesses would like them. Schools would snap up truckloads of them.
A portion of the home computer market would be captured as well, for people who just don't want an extra box on or under the desk.

[#] Sun Jan 11 2009 15:36:06 EST from Nite*Star @ Uncensored

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I'd rather have one the size of an Amiga 1200 -- the design was a bit better, had more options for expansion, etc. :) Plus, IIRC, you could use the back o of the computer/keyboard as a ledge for your monitor (and now with the light-weight LCD monitors that sit on a stand, it's even more possible...

[#] Sun Jan 11 2009 15:42:52 EST from dothebart @ Uncensored

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its called netbook these days.

though the non-portable version of the eee is not that cheap...

[#] Sun Jan 11 2009 16:25:07 EST from dothebart @ Uncensored

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forget about that. I should read everything...

[#] Sun Jan 11 2009 18:04:53 EST from Nite*Star @ Uncensored

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3-D Rules @ 2009 CES. I thought this paragraph was interesting:

Nvidia, one of the two leading makers of graphics chips for PCs and game consoles, showed off its new $199 GeForce 3D Vision glasses at CES. Used with compatible high-end LCD monitors, they make more than 350 existing games _ such as "Spore" and the zombie-fighting game "Left 4 Dead" _ deepen into the screen. In some specially modified games, like "World of Warcraft: Wrath of the Lich King," objects even appear to pop out of the screen, so you can duck that sword.

So combine that with the Wii and you've got a whole new arena of PvP combat and physical video gaming....

(quote from pg 2 of the story)

[#] Mon Jan 12 2009 14:04:11 EST from Ford II @ Uncensored

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Can you make a usb flash drive bootable?

[#] Mon Jan 12 2009 14:10:51 EST from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

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That would be a capability of the computer's BIOS, not the device itself.

[#] Mon Jan 12 2009 14:16:55 EST from Ford II @ Uncensored

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ahhh... makes sense.

[#] Tue Jan 13 2009 22:41:57 EST from Nite*Star @ Uncensored

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Oh yeah, I have a friend in England who has a Seagate and it's basically toast. His data is accessible but he can't do anything about it b/c of the firmware problem, and Seagate is basically refusing to do anything about it except replace the drive, which isn't an option for him b/c then he'll lose all his data. THey're saying it's not a firmware issue when it's been proven otherwise. NICE. :p

[#] Wed Jan 14 2009 10:31:41 EST from Ford II @ Uncensored

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So my new motherboard arrived a day early and I put it all together, and it worked on the first try (oh, I got the hdd led connector backwards) but amazingly it all just works.
I think after 20 years they've got it all worked out.

Now there's the linux problem.
my old interface file should have worked, but it ignored my eth0 definition and instead created an eth2 which isn't defined anywhere, and just decided to do dhcp.
Any idea where ubuntu gets the idea of where to do network connectivity that doesn't read the interfaces file?
Then there's the serial port thing.
But I've not given up on that yet.

[#] Wed Jan 14 2009 10:45:39 EST from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

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I've seen that happen before; usually it has to do with it remembering which driver module was bound to eth0 and realizing that this new one must be different.
Unfortunately I don't remember how I fixed that problem when it happened to me (similar situation; I moved the disk into a new computer).

On a Red Hat machine the MAC address of the interface is stored in the config file along with the IP address, so if its bus position changes it doesn't move around on the network.

[#] Wed Jan 14 2009 10:54:59 EST from fleeb @ Uncensored

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It's incredible, to me, that these 1Tbyte drives fail within three months.

I have *never* heard of such a terrible failure rate.

I should think Seagate could be exposing themselves to a class action lawsuit.

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