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[#] Wed Dec 31 2008 16:49:07 EST from Ford II @ Uncensored

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cute idea, but that sounds like something I'd rather decide for myself. whatever.....

[#] Wed Dec 31 2008 17:09:55 EST from Peter Pulse @ Uncensored

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So plug everything into the PC outlets...

[#] Thu Jan 01 2009 16:04:07 EST from Ford II @ Uncensored

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There's only 1. :-)
I gather that the battery (which isn't terribly large) couldn't power all that much for very long.

[#] Mon Jan 05 2009 17:00:11 EST from Ford II @ Uncensored

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Just occurres to me. What are the chances of somebody getting android to run on the treo?
It's got a keyboard a screen and a processor and memory.
What else does it need?
I'm sure google has no intention of doing it, why on earth would they play ball when they could built build it themselves.
but it's probably possible.
Anybody hear of such a thing?

[#] Mon Jan 05 2009 17:11:00 EST from Peter Pulse @ Uncensored

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Technically it's possible. The Treo 700p and 700w both use an xscale processor and here is someone who's ported Android to an xscale evaluation board including video and touch screen drivers. With so many android porting efforts going on, I think it's only a matter of time before a Treo port surfaces. Here's the link::

http://nemustech.blogspot.com/2007/12/android-porting-to-real-target-hw.html

[#] Mon Jan 05 2009 17:35:57 EST from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

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Someone got Android running on an EEE PC a couple of days ago, so the code is obviously flexible enough to run on a lot of different hardware. Do you want it to run as a PDA or do you need it to talk to the network? Talking to the network is probably the hard part.

[#] Mon Jan 05 2009 17:53:13 EST from Peter Pulse @ Uncensored

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On one hand, if the linux kernel supports your target platform, then you are most of the way there.. since the vast majority of what you see when you use Android is java.. on dalvik, on linux... With the screen, keyboard, touch screen, track ball all using linux device drivers and I beleive all the networking (TCP/IP stack, don't know about voice calls) use the linux code. So basically you're looking at a job of locating, modifying or writing linux device drivers.
Which is what all these ports have done so far.. ported linux then you run Android "desktop
" on it like any java app. But getting the actual cell stuff working and things like power management I imagine will be tough. An android port to palm would be great but not if battery life is 2 hours.

[#] Mon Jan 05 2009 18:28:51 EST from Ford II @ Uncensored

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So really the people best in position to do it are the 2 guys left at whatever company now owns palmos, and I somehow doubt anybody's going to pay them to do it.
They're probably working on it in their spare time without telling anybody since they've got nothing else to do though.

[#] Mon Jan 05 2009 22:23:26 EST from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

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Sadly, Palm will probably end up in history as one of those companies that defined a category and then faded away. Kind of like Netscape, except without the egomaniacs.

[#] Fri Jan 09 2009 20:11:34 EST from Ragnar Danneskjold @ Uncensored

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Something IG and I have talked about in length may just make a comeback....

The computer built into the keyboard, ala the C64.....

http://www.osnews.com/story/20736/Trends_Are_Cyclical_the_Asus_Eee_Keyboard

[#] Fri Jan 09 2009 23:17:49 EST from Ladyhawke @ Uncensored

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That's really cool!

[#] Sat Jan 10 2009 00:30:44 EST from flynnfx @ Uncensored

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That's an interesting device - I wonder what the price will be?

[#] Sat Jan 10 2009 15:06:36 EST from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

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There are a couple of manufacturers building keyboard form factor machines, but they're considered premium hardware because they use laptop technology and build them in small volumes.

What needs to happen is that they find a way to build them using cheap desktop components and ship in volumes high enough to make them the lowest price form factor out there. I'd be ok with a chassis the size of an Amiga 500 or Atari ST if they could get the price down.

[#] Sat Jan 10 2009 20:39:35 EST from Ford II @ Uncensored

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But if you can't swap out parts or add stuff, how is it different from a laptop with a detached screen?

[#] Sat Jan 10 2009 21:44:10 EST from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

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It isn't much different, and that's why I think they're shooting for the wrong part of the market. The currently available machines are specialty units designed for places where a mini tower is impractical, and they're expensive.
The "kEeeboard" appears to be aimed at the premium home computer market.
I think the ideal market is at the low end - the millions of computers that sit in front of typical, boring PC users who just run simple office automation tasks all day. They're not gamers, they're not developers, they're not mobile users, they just sit there and run email and web browsers and spreadsheets and word processors and maybe some locally built applications. They're not going to be installing any special video cards, they're not going to be doing anything unusual, they just need their basic desktop to come up and run. A low-end machine built into a keyboard is ideal. Even if they need to throw some extra hardware onto it, they're probably going to use SB anyway. That's the big deal -- and it's the reason that you've heard this lecture from me before, but this time it's not about thin clients. I still think thin clients are ideal for this type of user, but a Commodore-style PC would be ideal if you have users who occasionally plug in a digital camera or an external drive, or who are located within organizations too small to have a server.

[#] Sat Jan 10 2009 22:46:17 EST from Ford II @ Uncensored

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Okay, but then what you're doing is building a laptop and calling it a pc in a keyboard.
The reason laptops are expensive is because it's not trivial to shove all that shit into a small space.
If it was, laptops would be as cheap as desktops and nobody would have desktops and there'd be no need for a keyboard PC.

[#] Sat Jan 10 2009 23:30:53 EST from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

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Yes, and that's why I'm suggesting that they make the cheapo machines the size of an Amiga 500 or Atari ST. You could easily fit a generic MicroATX motherboard and a generic CD or DVD drive in a chassis that size. You might even be able to get a power supply in there.

That's the idea. Build them using the smallest non-laptop components available, build them cheap, and sell them to the low end.

Small businesses would like them. Schools would snap up truckloads of them.
A portion of the home computer market would be captured as well, for people who just don't want an extra box on or under the desk.

[#] Sun Jan 11 2009 15:36:06 EST from Nite*Star @ Uncensored

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I'd rather have one the size of an Amiga 1200 -- the design was a bit better, had more options for expansion, etc. :) Plus, IIRC, you could use the back o of the computer/keyboard as a ledge for your monitor (and now with the light-weight LCD monitors that sit on a stand, it's even more possible...

[#] Sun Jan 11 2009 15:42:52 EST from dothebart @ Uncensored

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its called netbook these days.

though the non-portable version of the eee is not that cheap...



[#] Sun Jan 11 2009 16:25:07 EST from dothebart @ Uncensored

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forget about that. I should read everything...

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