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[#] Tue Dec 30 2008 15:15:20 EST from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

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[#] Wed Dec 31 2008 13:15:25 EST from Ford II @ Uncensored

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At the moment I'm happy to wait until VirtualBox 2.1 shows up in

I installed it the other day, it's there now.

[#] Wed Dec 31 2008 13:17:31 EST from Ford II @ Uncensored

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I was looking at newegg or tomshardware, I forget which and I asked it for a list of motherboard/cpu combos that could support more than 4gig, there was one.
I guess the curve isn't there yet.

[#] Wed Dec 31 2008 13:19:19 EST from Ford II @ Uncensored

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So I just hooked up my spanky new ups, and the first thing I found out the hard way is that they now have separate plugs for the PC and perephirals.
I thought the one plug was farther from the others because they wanted to leave room for some stupid gadget that had a wall wart that wouldn't fit next to other closely placed plugs.
But in fact if you plug the computer into the perephiral outlet, the pc powers on for about 3 seconds then dies with no obvious warning why. Nor does the ups complain.
Crawling around on the floor, I didn't see the cute little pictures next to the outlets...

[#] Wed Dec 31 2008 13:50:13 EST from Peter Pulse @ Uncensored

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It probably shuts down your peripherals when you shut down your PC. It's a power saving thing...

[#] Wed Dec 31 2008 16:49:07 EST from Ford II @ Uncensored

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cute idea, but that sounds like something I'd rather decide for myself. whatever.....

[#] Wed Dec 31 2008 17:09:55 EST from Peter Pulse @ Uncensored

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So plug everything into the PC outlets...

[#] Thu Jan 01 2009 16:04:07 EST from Ford II @ Uncensored

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There's only 1. :-)
I gather that the battery (which isn't terribly large) couldn't power all that much for very long.

[#] Mon Jan 05 2009 17:00:11 EST from Ford II @ Uncensored

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Just occurres to me. What are the chances of somebody getting android to run on the treo?
It's got a keyboard a screen and a processor and memory.
What else does it need?
I'm sure google has no intention of doing it, why on earth would they play ball when they could built build it themselves.
but it's probably possible.
Anybody hear of such a thing?

[#] Mon Jan 05 2009 17:11:00 EST from Peter Pulse @ Uncensored

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Technically it's possible. The Treo 700p and 700w both use an xscale processor and here is someone who's ported Android to an xscale evaluation board including video and touch screen drivers. With so many android porting efforts going on, I think it's only a matter of time before a Treo port surfaces. Here's the link::

http://nemustech.blogspot.com/2007/12/android-porting-to-real-target-hw.html

[#] Mon Jan 05 2009 17:35:57 EST from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

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Someone got Android running on an EEE PC a couple of days ago, so the code is obviously flexible enough to run on a lot of different hardware. Do you want it to run as a PDA or do you need it to talk to the network? Talking to the network is probably the hard part.

[#] Mon Jan 05 2009 17:53:13 EST from Peter Pulse @ Uncensored

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On one hand, if the linux kernel supports your target platform, then you are most of the way there.. since the vast majority of what you see when you use Android is java.. on dalvik, on linux... With the screen, keyboard, touch screen, track ball all using linux device drivers and I beleive all the networking (TCP/IP stack, don't know about voice calls) use the linux code. So basically you're looking at a job of locating, modifying or writing linux device drivers.
Which is what all these ports have done so far.. ported linux then you run Android "desktop
" on it like any java app. But getting the actual cell stuff working and things like power management I imagine will be tough. An android port to palm would be great but not if battery life is 2 hours.

[#] Mon Jan 05 2009 18:28:51 EST from Ford II @ Uncensored

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So really the people best in position to do it are the 2 guys left at whatever company now owns palmos, and I somehow doubt anybody's going to pay them to do it.
They're probably working on it in their spare time without telling anybody since they've got nothing else to do though.

[#] Mon Jan 05 2009 22:23:26 EST from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

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Sadly, Palm will probably end up in history as one of those companies that defined a category and then faded away. Kind of like Netscape, except without the egomaniacs.

[#] Fri Jan 09 2009 20:11:34 EST from Ragnar Danneskjold @ Uncensored

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Something IG and I have talked about in length may just make a comeback....

The computer built into the keyboard, ala the C64.....

http://www.osnews.com/story/20736/Trends_Are_Cyclical_the_Asus_Eee_Keyboard

[#] Fri Jan 09 2009 23:17:49 EST from Ladyhawke @ Uncensored

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That's really cool!

[#] Sat Jan 10 2009 00:30:44 EST from flynnfx @ Uncensored

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That's an interesting device - I wonder what the price will be?

[#] Sat Jan 10 2009 15:06:36 EST from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

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There are a couple of manufacturers building keyboard form factor machines, but they're considered premium hardware because they use laptop technology and build them in small volumes.

What needs to happen is that they find a way to build them using cheap desktop components and ship in volumes high enough to make them the lowest price form factor out there. I'd be ok with a chassis the size of an Amiga 500 or Atari ST if they could get the price down.

[#] Sat Jan 10 2009 20:39:35 EST from Ford II @ Uncensored

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But if you can't swap out parts or add stuff, how is it different from a laptop with a detached screen?

[#] Sat Jan 10 2009 21:44:10 EST from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

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It isn't much different, and that's why I think they're shooting for the wrong part of the market. The currently available machines are specialty units designed for places where a mini tower is impractical, and they're expensive.
The "kEeeboard" appears to be aimed at the premium home computer market.
I think the ideal market is at the low end - the millions of computers that sit in front of typical, boring PC users who just run simple office automation tasks all day. They're not gamers, they're not developers, they're not mobile users, they just sit there and run email and web browsers and spreadsheets and word processors and maybe some locally built applications. They're not going to be installing any special video cards, they're not going to be doing anything unusual, they just need their basic desktop to come up and run. A low-end machine built into a keyboard is ideal. Even if they need to throw some extra hardware onto it, they're probably going to use SB anyway. That's the big deal -- and it's the reason that you've heard this lecture from me before, but this time it's not about thin clients. I still think thin clients are ideal for this type of user, but a Commodore-style PC would be ideal if you have users who occasionally plug in a digital camera or an external drive, or who are located within organizations too small to have a server.

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