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[#] Fri Dec 12 2008 15:16:44 EST from fleeb @ Uncensored

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Hmm... I should maybe make that happen.

[#] Fri Dec 12 2008 15:18:24 EST from wizard of aahz @ Uncensored

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or fleeb, just do what I do and autoforward all the mail that goes into there.

[#] Fri Dec 12 2008 16:05:13 EST from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

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And there I disagree, the field is heavily slanted towards google.

I for one welcome our new Google overlords.

[#] Fri Dec 12 2008 16:47:53 EST from Ford II @ Uncensored

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Someday you'll eat those words just as I will eat my red hat ones.

[#] Sat Dec 13 2008 18:41:41 EST from LoanShark @ Uncensored

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Forgot about that. I'd change red hat for ubuntu, but that's not
really the same thing.

Yeah, they're far too gay to be the next M$. Umm, they'll go away soon. Gentoo was cool for a while, now currently it's Ubuntu, but Red Hat and CentOS continues to plug away at what they do best, which is provide the best datacenter in existence. This whole desktop thing is a fad, anyway. Pretty soon we'll be back to X Terminals. ;)

[#] Sat Dec 13 2008 21:26:57 EST from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

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Well that's the thing, I've sworn by Red Hat and CentOS servers for years -- still do, in fact -- but the Ubuntu desktop experience was just so much better that it became my standard client-side OS immediately. They seem to have a better grasp of what desktop users want and are willing to put the effort in to make it happen.

As computing moves "into the cloud" (which is just a rebranding of thin client computing, which is in turn a rebranding of timeshare computing) it'll become even more irrelevant.

[#] Wed Dec 17 2008 09:45:12 EST from Ford II @ Uncensored

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If I wanted to hire a company to host a java web service I wrote where would I go.
I looked up "web hosting" and there's a zillion and they're cheap but they don't sound like I can run java applications.
I looked up xand but there's no prices.
Is there a name for what I'm looking for, so I can search better?

[#] Wed Dec 17 2008 09:49:44 EST from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

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For that level of control you probably want a virtual machine. For a while, the service was called "virtual private server" or "virtual dedicated server" but as of late it's one of several things that are being called "cloud computing."
Look for someone who will give you root on a virtual machine.

Linode seems to be the most popular low-end provider of this service. You could also go with Amazon and their EC2 cloud service, which can give you virtual machines as well.

[#] Wed Dec 17 2008 10:23:43 EST from Ford II @ Uncensored

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thanks.

[#] Wed Dec 17 2008 20:26:55 EST from dothebart @ Uncensored

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https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=55583

how old and enormous those friends can become...

ok, I jumped the bandwaggon when it was over a year up and running... 

but to get a mail from it 7 years later...



[#] Thu Dec 18 2008 07:54:37 EST from Ford II @ Uncensored

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I'm currently in the middle of an argument with a few friends of mine on the subject of automation and scripting and guis.
My argument is that gui's are great for user interaction if you need to do something repetitivly, you need some scriptable (commonly command line) way of doing it.
The counter argument is "there's nothing you can automate with command line that you can't automate with a gui."
Now while I agree that a gui'ized program can be written to do anything, the fact is you can script stuff yourself, and not require somebody to fix their gui'ed program.

They insist I'm wrong, I can only assume we're having two different arguments, becuase I don't see the gui argument.

Anybody?

[#] Thu Dec 18 2008 09:04:12 EST from fleeb @ Uncensored

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If the user has to schedule when they want the task to be accomplished, it'd be a hell of a lot easier to be able to do this at a command line than to try to co-ordinate their scripts with some internal scheduler in your application (presuming your GUI even provided one).

Yeah, GUIs are great for user interaction, but the commandline allows unattended use of the product, which is extremely valuable for certain applications.

[#] Thu Dec 18 2008 21:04:49 EST from Ford II @ Uncensored

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trying out chrome in a vm window. It really puts firefox to shame.
those evil bastards.

[#] Fri Dec 19 2008 10:49:25 EST from Nite*Star @ Uncensored

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And I know of no way to 'copy' that stuff off google's servers.

Erm, enabled POP3 or IMAP and DL your e-mail to your local box?

[#] Mon Dec 22 2008 18:14:53 EST from LoanShark @ Uncensored

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I ran Chrome for a while when it first was released, but found that it just didn't work properly with a significant fraction of the websites I visit.

[#] Mon Dec 22 2008 18:53:16 EST from Ford II @ Uncensored

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well I've decided to try my long term plan of living my life in a vm so I can move it around and change the underlying hardware without suffering too much.
In this new VM I have chrome, and so far I'm very happy with it. Again my firefox is laggy possibly because of having been installed years ago on my many years old w2k install, but I don't think that's enough of an excuse.
so I didn't even bother with FF in the vm and so far it does everything I've tried perfectly.
Needs more field testing for sure, but so far perfect.

[#] Tue Dec 23 2008 12:23:05 EST from LoanShark @ Uncensored

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I think they did release some updates. Maybe it's improved.

[#] Tue Dec 23 2008 12:25:37 EST from LoanShark @ Uncensored

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so, I think I'm in the wrong room for this thread, but don't know where the discussion was originally. I upgraded from Virtualbox 2.0.6 to 2.1.0 and the experience is much nicer. There is no longer any bridging setup required for the network, and I can put my (Vista) host to sleep without it crashing. Haven't gone back to check if the seamless mode bug has been fixed. So, altogether an improvement. i wonder when they are going to enable the balloon driver in the default binaries.

[#] Thu Dec 25 2008 23:34:16 EST from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

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Cool. In that case I'm looking forward to seeing VirtualBox 2.1.0 added to the various Linux repositories. One of the things that bugs me about VMware is that it breaks every time your update service pushes a kernel upgrade.
I like that VirtualBox is right there in the repo so if there's a kernel upgrade, there's a guarantee that VirtualBox gets a compatible update too.

The lack of bridged networking was annoying enough to keep me from switching.
With that barrier gone it'll probably be time to switch. VirtualBox can work with VMware virtual disk images, right? Theoretically that would mean that I could maintain a VM that will boot under either product?

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