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[#] Thu Dec 04 2008 15:30:41 EST from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

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You mean an "engine order telegraph" ... it does look like that. That's very cool how the scroll bar was made to curve like that.

[#] Thu Dec 04 2008 15:54:26 EST from dothebart @ Uncensored

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heh, most probably. I couldn't even name that thing in german ;-)

[#] Thu Dec 04 2008 15:59:03 EST from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

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A lot of people mistakenly think that it actually *is* a throttle. It actually just relayed orders to an identical unit in the engine room, where they carried out the orders. A quaint and cute piece of history.

[#] Thu Dec 04 2008 16:18:39 EST from Peter Pulse @ Uncensored

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In modern times it often is a real throttle.

[#] Thu Dec 04 2008 16:19:05 EST from dothebart @ Uncensored

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I did know that... ah, and if you remember formorer, he actualy knew the german name, actualy quiet similar, "Schiffstelegraph" from his time at the german marine...

[#] Mon Dec 08 2008 21:55:01 EST from Ford II @ Uncensored

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well I finally got virtualbox towork, the trick is to add sun's deb location to apt/sources and isntall from there, works charmingly, but it's not as refined as vmware, but that's probably just because vmware has had so much more time to get the little details right.
Of course I'm trying virtualbox, because vmware keeps making my linux host reboot...

[#] Mon Dec 08 2008 22:41:36 EST from flynnfx @ Uncensored

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Heh - heard for the first time the usage of the word 'pebkac' from one of our techs describing the problems

he was having with some of upper management's computers.

He likes 'picnic' as well.

 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PEBKAC



[#] Tue Dec 09 2008 13:35:42 EST from fleeb @ Uncensored

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I still prefer 'operator head-space error', even though it takes more effort to say.

[#] Thu Dec 11 2008 22:00:08 EST from Ford II @ Uncensored

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google chrome is no longer beta.
But Ican't use it because it requires xp sp 2. :-(

[#] Fri Dec 12 2008 00:03:30 EST from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

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Feh. If Google really is looking to finish what Netscape started -- namely, making the Internet an application delivery platform that does an end-run around Microsoft's monopoly -- they should make Linux, Macintosh, and appliance-embeddable versions available before removing the "beta" label.

[#] Fri Dec 12 2008 07:27:17 EST from Ford II @ Uncensored

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EEEEEEEVVVVVVVVVVVIIIIIIIILLLLLLLLLLL!!!!!!!!!!

:-)

[#] Fri Dec 12 2008 10:10:23 EST from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

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You're not allowed to declare Google the "next Microsoft" until you rescind your previous declaration that Red Hat would be the next Microsoft.

[#] Fri Dec 12 2008 10:13:50 EST from LoanShark @ Uncensored

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But who will be the next "next Microsoft"
?

Red Hat already turned into Microsoft when they announced the death of Red Hat 9 and brought out Fedora and changed the pricing for RHEL to be more expensive than Windows, so I think Ford was somewhat validated there.


[#] Fri Dec 12 2008 10:23:23 EST from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

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If you're referring to the transformation of Red Hat from a dinky community member to a major industry player, sure, but I think Ford's idea of a "the next Microsoft" refers to some new entity becoming the abusive monopoly that throws its weight around to manipulate the entire industry. First it was IBM, then it was Microsoft, then ... Red Hat? Google? Bob's Fish Tacos and Certificate Authority? Personally I'm not buying it ... I think the next move will be to a more level playing field, at least for a while.

[#] Fri Dec 12 2008 10:45:39 EST from fleeb @ Uncensored

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Fucking Bob's Fish Tacos and Certificate Authority really pisses me off.
Assholes.

[#] Fri Dec 12 2008 14:38:20 EST from Ford II @ Uncensored

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You're not allowed to declare Google the "next Microsoft" until you
rescind your previous declaration that Red Hat would be the next
Microsoft.

Forgot about that. I'd change red hat for ubuntu, but that's not really the same thing.
Let's see... I could eat my words with the red hat thing, or I could hold on for a while longer. Sir Bob Metcalf stupidly ate his words, when really he should have just waited indefinetly, there are still people projecting the big internet collapose.
I was thinking about that as I read yet another doom and gloom article the other day and I realized tht if everybody starts watching full stream on demand movies, the internet won't collapse, it will jsut get slow. It will be like a big ddos attack. Some people will get in and some won't. But it won't collapse.
I'm not yet calling google the next microsoft (although maybe I have said that in the recent past,) I'll take that back if I did, all I'm saying for now is that they are evil despite them saying they're not.
I don't mind that they're evil, I mind that they go around saying they're not evil when they are.

[#] Fri Dec 12 2008 14:40:46 EST from Ford II @ Uncensored

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Red Hat already turned into Microsoft when they announced the death of

Red Hat 9 and brought out Fedora and changed the pricing for RHEL to be

more expensive than Windows, so I think Ford was somewhat validated

there.

You know? I stopped keeping up with them, was I in fact right?
I think maybe they did microsoft-like things, but that doesn't fully qualify them as the next microsoft. To get that stamp you have to really make a lot of people miserable.
Google is far closer to that reality than red hat ever was.

Although if red hat had waited longer before shining so bright, they could have had more effect now where there is lots more linux entrenchment than there was in their hayday.
Then again, arguably it's their fault/credit that there's as much linux exposure as there is now, at least they deserve some credit.

[#] Fri Dec 12 2008 14:41:10 EST from Ford II @ Uncensored

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idea of a "the next Microsoft" refers to some new entity becoming the

abusive monopoly that throws its weight around to manipulate the entire

industry. First it was IBM, then it was Microsoft, then ... Red Hat?


yeah, that's what I was getting at.

[#] Fri Dec 12 2008 14:42:24 EST from Ford II @ Uncensored

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not buying it ... I think the next move will be to a more level playing

field, at least for a while.

And there I disagree, the field is heavily slanted towards google.
in many areas. Let's look at it this way.
If google shut off all of its servers tomorrow, things would suck for a while, no?

[#] Fri Dec 12 2008 14:58:16 EST from fleeb @ Uncensored

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I'd go somewhere else for e-mail.

I'd use a different search engine.

I'd go to another maps vendor (which, I guess, I should do anyway).

I dunno... I think I could safely get away from google if they really pissed me off.

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