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[#] Fri Oct 23 2009 09:36:38 EDT from Ford II @ Uncensored

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I didn't work for that part of the phone company.
Really our end of the AT&T universe was all the online stuff, I never dealt with the phone people except to laugh at them that they thought their business would last for ever.

[#] Fri Oct 23 2009 12:21:11 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

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Ok then ...

The reason you see a lot of business in rural areas that centers around a large volume of incoming calls is because of a practice known as "traffic pumping." It's built around regulations that the Big ILEC's originally bought during the early years of equal access and deregulation, which require the originating LEC to pay a small "settlement" to the terminating LEC in order to cover their costs. In the dense rate centers it's a fraction of a cent per minute, but in rural areas it could be a dime or more.

The original traffic pumpers simply set up shop in these rural areas and allowed calls to terminate there and then they rerouted them to other destinations (often international) via cheap transport, and pocketed the difference.

The newer business models eliminate the expense of sending the call back out over the PSTN. Many of them are "free conference call" services such as in which everyone dials in, the conference call hoster just bridges everyone together via cheap hardware, and they pocket the settlement fees. There are also some carriers such as which offer you a free telephone number with free unlimited incoming calls, and they send the calls out over the Internet to the SIP server of your choice. I've got two of these numbers. I use one of them to call home from my cell phone, so it doesn't tie up our phone line (or ... I can still get through when the line is busy). The number is in Washington state, but who cares about that when there's no extra charge for long distance on a wireless plan? I use the other number to go straight into the Asterisk IVR.

Now those same ILEC's are whining about those very same regulations, the ones they paid for 15-20 years ago. They're required to terminate *all* calls, even if the settlements are expensive. CLEC's aren't.
That's why when Google or Vonage or other non-traditional CLEC's block access to traffic pumpers, AT&T and Verizon start whining like a bunch of hypocrites about how horrible it all is.

[#] Mon Oct 26 2009 11:13:14 EDT from Ford II @ Uncensored

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heh, it's fun to watch the big boys do it to each other.

except of course that it ends up costing us money.

[#] Wed Oct 28 2009 14:57:25 EDT from Ford II @ Uncensored

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heh heh.

[#] Wed Oct 28 2009 16:19:50 EDT from Peter Pulse @ Uncensored

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The Droid is causing a decision problem for me.. I was all set to get the Samsung Moment from Sprint.. I had assumed that the Motorola Droid would cost at least $300 and probably closer to $400, plus the higher cost of Verizon service.. which was just too rich for me right now. It turns out that the Moment and the Droid are both selling for the same price.. $200 after rebate.
The Moment has good hardware, especially the OLED screen, but the Droid has better hardware overall, with a 3.9 inch screen with more actual real estate (more pixels). It's more like a true handheld computer. The real difference in price comes with the cost of Verizon service vs Sprint service. Sprint is $99 unlimited everything, which is what I have now on my Treo. Verizon wants $150 for unlimited everything which is really more than I am willing to spend. But Verizon offers a plan with unlimited data/text/pic but 900 voice minutes. I actually don't use more than 900 minutes most of the time, and Verizon offers you up to 5 people you can call for free. If I put in my 5 most called people who are not on Verizon then there is no doubt I can keep it within 900 minutes. That would cost me $120/month.. which is still more than I want to spend (really, I am just about at the limit of my comfort level with $99/month). But Sprint service hasn't been the best, especially text messaging. And the Motorola phone is really a lot nicer. But I don't know if it's worth an extra $480 over 2 years...

[#] Wed Oct 28 2009 16:57:41 EDT from Ford II @ Uncensored

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that's TWO years.
Think about every time you blow $10 on lunch. That's 48 lunches, that's one a week for a year.
Go for it. Don't nickel and dime yourself to death if you're really going to enjoy the gizmo that much more.

Compare to the last machine you bought and it probably pales in comparison.

I kinda wonder why I stay with tmobile. I think I like that they're cheap, but the verizon-works-everywhere thing is really tempting.
For me that would be a big win, but I pay so little for my phone anyway, it's not worth it.

I did a little math a figured out a while ago that my $30 a month plan with $10 in bullshit taxes and fees, so $40 a month was more than I'd spend if I paid as I goed.
So I now paid as I goed, and I'm definetly saving money, but of course it wasn't until after I switched that they pointed out to me, that I can no longer foward my cell voicemail to my house and I no longer show up on caller id.
It's like the service is specifically designed for drug dealers.

And since I now am forced to pay for unlimited everything on my landline, I just make all my calls from home, and almost never use my cell except for texting.
And I'm home all the time anyway, and nobody calls me but telemarketers.

Oh, it's all so depressing.

[#] Wed Oct 28 2009 16:59:27 EDT from Ford II @ Uncensored

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I'm going to guess that a) you don't have a landline, and b) you're never home anyway to use it if you did.

[#] Wed Oct 28 2009 20:48:26 EDT from Peter Pulse @ Uncensored

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Ford I am shocked, I thought you would advocate the cheaper option. Either phone kicks the ass of my Treo. I am kinda busy this week anyway, I think I will wait and see since the Droid is not in stores yet but being reviewed.
I think I can go to the store and try the Moment. Actually yes I am home a decent amount but you are correct.. the cellphone is my primary phone and is always the phone I use. I also make good use of Google Maps, email, Facebook , browser and SMS on the phone. I probably get more SMS messages and facebook messages than I do emails and phone calls these days. But they are all used.
What I am looking forward to on the new phone is having GPS tied to Google Maps, which I will definitely use, and turn-by-turn navigation, which is a new Android feature (Android 2.0). Plus a better browser and better IMAP (which will not blow up on my gargantuan inbox). I don't own a car anymore but I drive fairly often these days.. either a rental, car sitting, or with other people and the GPS has been a long wanted feature.

[#] Thu Oct 29 2009 06:51:33 EDT from Ford II @ Uncensored

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normally all things being equal, or for myself I'd advocate the cheaper option, but I know you appreciate stuff and to most people who aren't me, it's worth paying a little more for something you really want as opposed to something good enough.
Listening to you I think I see thatI need to wait 4-5 years for all this to settle down and the winner to come forth. Then I'll buy something used. :-)
Hope my treo holds out till then,.

[#] Thu Oct 29 2009 08:29:34 EDT from Ford II @ Uncensored

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Don't go to that link.
I got that in an email today.
Looks like somebody found a hole where you can get yahoo to redirect for you...

[#] Thu Oct 29 2009 14:40:02 EDT from Dirk Stanley @ Uncensored

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I find whenever I pick a cell phone plan, it's turns out to be the more expensive plan in the long run. (They seem to arrange the pricing so the cheaper plans look cheaper at first but then get you in the end.)

Anyway, it's made me give up on the effort to pick a cheap plan. I'm usually wrong.

[#] Thu Oct 29 2009 15:42:52 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

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Listening to you I think I see thatI need to wait 4-5 years for all

this to settle down and the winner to come forth. Then I'll buy
something used. :-)

Then another 4-5 years after that, when it's totally obsolete, I'll do my next upgrade.

[#] Wed Nov 04 2009 09:22:17 EST from Miles @ Uncensored

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Interesting article on Gopher today over on Ars Technica. It takes me back: Windows 3.11 for Workgroups, coffee, my stand alone Gopher client and the news. I'm looking for Veronica right now.

[#] Wed Nov 04 2009 10:46:37 EST from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

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Nice. I remember the big announcement back in 1992-1993, my last year of college, when they finally connected the university to the Internet. They were trying to get everyone all excited that we could now use Gopher!!

Hmm ... the article says "a return to Gopher would be a return to the purity of the early Internet." I must admit, it does sound appealing.

Yikes. Gopher-based front ends to Twitter and 4Chan. What will they think of next? :)

[#] Wed Nov 05 2008 15:34:44 EST from Ford II @ Uncensored

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That didn't take long.
I never read security stuff, but I came across this.

[#] Wed Nov 05 2008 15:41:46 EST from Peter Pulse @ Uncensored

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If you read deeper you will see it's not that big a deal. telnetd isn't supposed to be running on Android. If you start it up and create a big security hole on your phone then that's your problem to deal with.

[#] Wed Nov 05 2008 19:06:52 EST from Ford II @ Uncensored

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yes, but I think his argument was that some rogue program (like that cool beer mug program) could do that without you knowing.

[#] Wed Nov 05 2008 19:07:16 EST from Ford II @ Uncensored

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whoops, got my iphone and my g1 mixed up, ignor that last msg.

[#] Wed Nov 05 2008 19:34:02 EST from Peter Pulse @ Uncensored

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Hmm I see, you are right. If pterminal, which after all is no different than any other java application in Android, can give you a shell that lets you run telnetd as root, then any application can do it. I don't think Android runs java applications as root, so that means they did something funky with the telnetd (well, obviously, since you don't need a username or password, it is some funky embedded systems debugging telnetd, not the normal one) like making it suid root. So that is obviously something they need to change.

[#] Wed Nov 05 2008 23:36:56 EST from Harbard @ Uncensored

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Is there a good android phone out there yet?  I need to upgrade rather badly.  I refuse to get an iPhone out of sheer stubborness.

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