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[#] Wed Aug 19 2009 19:02:02 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

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I would imagine that a messenger wire, being connected to the ground, would be a more attractive target than the signal wires.

It's merely academic though; we all know that lightning can and does strike the signal wires, destroying any equipment it reaches.

That doesn't explain the guy who claims that a lightning strike took out his router, though. His telco connection is fiber. If the lightning strike caused a big power surge, it's a pretty big coincidence that the only piece of electronic equipment that was damaged was his router.

[#] Thu Aug 20 2009 16:08:03 EDT from skpacman @ Uncensored

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http://developers.slashdot.org/story/09/08/19/1259210/Behind-Menuet-an-OS-Written-Entirely-In-Assembly

http://www.menuetos.net/

Now that's one fast OS...  completely built on Assembly instead of C# and it's small enough to fit on a FLOPPY DISK!!! (but that's because of the lack of device drivers and hardware support... once that picks up it'll beef-up big time..) I was going to give it a shot tonight and see what all it has to offer. Just think of how fast response times would be for hosting websites from this platform, or building native games for it... oh the possibilities. But it's not UNIX based so some people may label it as "Progress...."... and it's STILL better than Micro$tupid Windoze...

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[#] Thu Aug 20 2009 16:26:04 EDT from Ford II @ Uncensored

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Well, I'm a bigger fan of assembly than most people, but nowadays even I appreciate the pointlessness of that task.
Sure it has a place, in embedded systems controlling time sensitive things, but all that means is that it becomes completely useless if/when amd and intel change the arcitecture too much.
I realize that's not going to happen any time soon, but they still have to write for the lowest common denominator assembly of any chip they may want to run on.
And you're not going to get support for any hardware. HEll linux has crappy support and it's REALLY POPULAR and runs on tons of chips of completely different architectures.
Good luck getting a foothold.
Nice proof of concept and it has it's niche, but it will never "beef-up big time" as you say
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And no, I will not label it progress, for it is not progress.
It is not backwards or worse than older OSes. It is a branch into a dead end, in my opinion. It is not bad, it is just pointless, other than an excercise in coolness factor.
OS/2 was written entirely in assembly too. And this doesn't have the backing of a company like IBM.

[#] Thu Aug 20 2009 16:55:57 EDT from skpacman @ Uncensored

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"I appreciate the pointlessness of that task."
"It is a branch into a dead end, in my opinion. It is not bad, it is just pointless, other than an excercise in coolness factor."

Exactly why I'm impressed. They put so much work into an operating system that will be seldomly used and end up a "dead end" but it has its uses for what it's worth. I wouldn't attempt a large scale implementation but its good to have people willing to put that much work into a project.
...now if only they could help in the linux community...


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"When the rich wage war,
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[#] Thu Aug 20 2009 17:11:09 EDT from Ford II @ Uncensored

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...now if only they could help in the linux community...

And there you've hit upon a very important part of human society.
People lust after what they are interested in, not what is neccesarily for the greater good.
If you think about it, it's amazing we've progressed as far as we have considering how few people ever agree on doing the same thing the same way or that it should even be done.
This is more a testament of the human spirit from your point of view, which probably unfortunately means humans aren't going to die out nearly as quickly as I'd hope they would. But I'll be dead anyway, so I won't care .
But if everybody really did what was for the better good and didn't waste time on competing technologies or competitive efforts of any kind, well... we'd have communism.
And we all know how well that works out.

[#] Thu Aug 20 2009 17:47:42 EDT from skpacman @ Uncensored

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Thu Aug 20 2009 05:11:09 PM EDT from Ford II @ Uncensored
...now if only they could help in the linux community...

And there you've hit upon a very important part of human society.
People lust after what they are interested in, not what is neccesarily for the greater good.
If you think about it, it's amazing we've progressed as far as we have considering how few people ever agree on doing the same thing the same way or that it should even be done.
This is more a testament of the human spirit from your point of view, which probably unfortunately means humans aren't going to die out nearly as quickly as I'd hope they would. But I'll be dead anyway, so I won't care .
But if everybody really did what was for the better good and didn't waste time on competing technologies or competitive efforts of any kind, well... we'd have communism.
And we all know how well that works out.

>.< yup.. it seems people devote efforts where they're either unseen or unappreciated (or both) more often than "the greater good" as you say.

Think of how far our technology could have evolved if people didn't compete. Hard to say though; without competition, there's very little motivation to be 'better'.

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- Linkin Park "Hands Held High"



[#] Thu Aug 20 2009 18:15:04 EDT from Ragnar Danneskjold @ Uncensored

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Actually, think how far we would have come if it weren't for "backward compatibility".

[#] Thu Aug 20 2009 19:32:06 EDT from Ford II @ Uncensored

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oh yeah look at apple. genius.

[#] Fri Aug 21 2009 08:10:24 EDT from skpacman @ Uncensored

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Update on my MenuetOS adventure:

It not only fits on a floppy disk, it REQUIRES a floppy disc.

>.< all of mine are old and demagnetized.

needless to say, i havent tried loading the OS yet...

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"When the rich wage war,
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- Linkin Park "Hands Held High"



[#] Fri Aug 21 2009 09:57:06 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

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You need a virtual machine!

[#] Fri Aug 21 2009 14:51:24 EDT from Ford II @ Uncensored

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I was going to say that.
you can make a file into a floppy disk in a vm.

[#] Sat Aug 22 2009 17:10:38 EDT from skpacman @ Uncensored

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Fri Aug 21 2009 02:51:24 PM EDT from Ford II @ Uncensored
I was going to say that.
you can make a file into a floppy disk in a vm.

duh... i should have thought of that... >.<

thanks..  i'll let you know how it goes

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"When the rich wage war,
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[#] Mon Aug 24 2009 09:47:17 EDT from Ford II @ Uncensored

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I spent a lot of time this weekend doing research to buy parts for a new machine.
One thing I realized is that people are stupid. Even technical people.
Specifically I'm talking about the overclocking crowd.
Now I'm all about getting as much for your money as possible, but there are LOTS of people on newegg who complain that they overclock things andit doesn't work.
I don't know if this is how it works anymore but in the good old days, intel would build a chip to the best specifications that it could, then test it. If it tested reliably at a 3ghz chip, it was sold as a 3ghz chip.
If it only tested reliably at 2.5ghz, it was sold as a 2.5ghz chip.
Now in the days of quad cores, I can see where it would be hard to build a chip where all four cores tested reliably at 3ghz, which is why those chips are so much more expensive than the 2.8ghz for example.
So people buy the 2.8ghz then try and overclock them and complain when they don't work.
Fucking morons.

[#] Mon Aug 24 2009 14:53:41 EDT from skpacman @ Uncensored

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Mon Aug 24 2009 09:47:17 AM EDT from Ford II @ Uncensored
I spent a lot of time this weekend doing research to buy parts for a new machine.
One thing I realized is that people are stupid. Even technical people.
Specifically I'm talking about the overclocking crowd.
Now I'm all about getting as much for your money as possible, but there are LOTS of people on newegg who complain that they overclock things andit doesn't work.
I don't know if this is how it works anymore but in the good old days, intel would build a chip to the best specifications that it could, then test it. If it tested reliably at a 3ghz chip, it was sold as a 3ghz chip.

If it only tested reliably at 2.5ghz, it was sold as a 2.5ghz chip.
Now in the days of quad cores, I can see where it would be hard to build a chip where all four cores tested reliably at 3ghz, which is why those chips are so much more expensive than the 2.8ghz for example.
So people buy the 2.8ghz then try and overclock them and complain when they don't work.
Fucking morons.

Agreed.  My processor is Intel Core2 Quad Q6600 @2.4GHz on an older ASUS P-5NE/SLI mobo and I've only done a 2% overclock with a 4% voltage boost and got it up to 2.54ghz.. i can push it to 2.7, but why do it? i'm perfectly happy with the stability and reliability at 2.4 and have no need to overclock.

Overclocking has such a small difference on overall performance that i see no real reason to do it unless you're doing some extremely heavy data processing... then it MIGHT make a dent, but it's not going to show extreme performance boost like most claim. You want a performance boost? Go with faster MEMORY, your processor could flatten any memory on the market just because most are still using a north-bridge... i like the new tri-channel stuff coming out.. Nalheim i7 is changing things.

that's enough for my OC rant... my point is, i dont see any reason to overclock a perfectly good processor and risk stability and wattage issues.

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[#] Mon Aug 24 2009 22:01:36 EDT from Ford II @ Uncensored

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Yeah, I don't get the whole voltage thing. You might have to explaine it to me. I don't plan on overclocking (I got one of the 9650s :-) but I've heard noises about sometimes you have to screw with them anyway.

[#] Tue Aug 25 2009 00:33:54 EDT from skpacman @ Uncensored

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Mon Aug 24 2009 10:01:36 PM EDT from Ford II @ Uncensored
Yeah, I don't get the whole voltage thing. You might have to explaine it to me. I don't plan on overclocking (I got one of the 9650s :-) but I've heard noises about sometimes you have to screw with them anyway.

voltage is what dictates its wattage consumption. higher voltage = higher clock speed... after about a 5%-10% increase it gets extremely dangerous... i dont recommend going over 3% increase (depnding on your processor/mobo combo) unless you are extremely knowledgable about your processor...

as i said... i only have an overall increase of about 2-4% depending on what i need to be done... still it's not much of a difference. i suggest NOT overclocking anything for safety's sake.. i know people that have melted motherboards because they typed the wrong value into the voltage setting... or the multiplier... -.- it can get messy even with human error...

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[#] Tue Aug 25 2009 07:24:34 EDT from Ford II @ Uncensored

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yea
I think I'll stick with my already crazy fast machine.

[#] Tue Aug 25 2009 10:55:36 EDT from Stefan @ Uncensored

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Mon Aug 24 2009 09:47:17 AM EDT from Ford II @ Uncensored
I don't know if this is how it works anymore but in the good old days, intel would build a chip to the best specifications that it could, then test it. If it tested reliably at a 3ghz chip, it was sold as a 3ghz chip.
I think that's not true anymore. It depends on the market and the quality of the chip processing. As an example: AMD's X3 is a X4 chip with a broken core and is extremly popular. But they don't have enough chips with a broken core (and they don't produce chips with only three cores), so they started to deactivate one core on a X4 and sell it as a X3 instead, because that is what the market demands. And it is the same with the chip's frequency: If the chip processing is good and they can produce a lot of fast chips then they will cut the frequency rate with a fixed multiplicator.

 



[#] Tue Aug 25 2009 11:22:40 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

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At least they don't sell CPU's like they sell consumer Internet bandwidth: "supports speeds UP TO 2.4 GHz"

[#] Tue Aug 25 2009 12:46:41 EDT from Ford II @ Uncensored

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So in fact overclocking may be a reasonable endeavour and it's just pot luck whether you got a good crippled chip or if you have an actual broken one...

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