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[#] Tue Aug 11 2009 07:26:45 EDT from Ford II @ Uncensored

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is how you wired it, and it didn't work.. then maybe your molded cable

is just a piece of shit (most of them are) and broken inside. Which a

multimeter can tell you.

that was the conclusion I came to as well.
then I found the cable I was tryin to make on ebay. for 80 cents. shipped.
From hong kong.

Got that? I can move a letter from ny to hawaii foe 45 cents. but for 80 I can move and BUY a cable from hong kong.
This is a very messed up world.

[#] Tue Aug 11 2009 07:28:43 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

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PanaSonic: in my house we keep everything on the server. All user accounts are authenticated against the server, and all home directories are stored on the server. On Linux it's obvious - just attach to NIS and mount /home from NFS. We also hooked up the Mac that way, but Apple makes it a little trickier; you have to use a program called NFS Manager to get the mount just right, and then set aside the "/Users" directory and replace it with a symlink to /home.

It works really well and no one ever has to think about backups. If a computer were to vaporize it would just be a matter of fixing it and then reinstalling the software. All user data is server-side, right down to the desktop layout.

The server itself is of course backed up on a regular basis.

[#] Tue Aug 11 2009 07:28:44 EDT from Ford II @ Uncensored

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Ford: just buy a pre-built system. There isn't a lot of money to be

saved by rolling your own anymore.

true but I dont want to buy a case power supply and hard drives if I dont have to.
and the prebuilts I looked at dont seem to have the few things i want.

[#] Tue Aug 11 2009 12:38:28 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

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Ok, well in that case, at least get one of their package deals on a motherboard pre-populated with the correct CPU and memory. It saves the hassle of trying to match everything up.

[#] Tue Aug 11 2009 13:46:58 EDT from LoanShark @ Uncensored

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Ford, be careful what you wish for. There are lots of boards that support 16 gigs with just 4 memory slots on midrange desktop chipsets. The problem is that in order to get 16 gigs with 4 slots you need 4x4 gig sticks which will probably cost around $2500 for the memory.

If you really, really think you want more than 8 gigs, then you have two options: (1) Buy a "Core i7" motherboard, which is outside of your specified price range; (2) Buy a Xeon motherboard of some kind, with at least 6-8 memory slots; or (3). 3 options. (3) Buy an AMD board, most likely a server-class board for Opteron chips.

[#] Tue Aug 11 2009 13:55:13 EDT from LoanShark @ Uncensored

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Sorry, am I full of shit? I was basing that on what Dell charges for 4gb modules, which apparently is ocompletely out of step with the market?

[#] Tue Aug 11 2009 13:58:36 EDT from LoanShark @ Uncensored

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Ok, so if you're building a >12gb system you can save a shitload of money by not buying from Dell.

But you still can't do it for $250.

[#] Tue Aug 11 2009 19:57:10 EDT from Ford II @ Uncensored

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dell always way overcharged for memory. I remember when they had memory that only worked in thier machiens and they way overcharged for that too.

So I read up on i7 today, sounds frikkin awesome. The cheapest chip was $279.
I'll wait until it becomes old school, but I want one of those someday.
So I'm back to core2 duo/quad.
Yeah, I should check memory prices before I go whole hog.
I underestimated newegg's search tools. Very impressive. At first it was way overwhelming, now it is only moderately overwhelming as I start to learn all this crap I hoped I'd never need to know.
Oh well.

I'll let you know what I come up with.
There are boards with 6 slots, I think mebbe I go with one of those.
Odd things like that are good, they cut the options from around 250 to 6. :-)

[#] Wed Aug 12 2009 10:58:47 EDT from LoanShark @ Uncensored

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What I can gather about the memory market:

DDR2: available in unregistered (desktop memory) form in capacities of up to 4GB per DIMM at reasonable prices.

DDR3: still only available in 2GB/DIMM capacities unless you want to move to registered (server) memory and corresponding motherboards. Companies like Dell seem to have access to higher capacities of unregistered memory, but they charge an arm and a leg for them. This situation should change in a year or two.

[#] Wed Aug 12 2009 12:54:34 EDT from Ford II @ Uncensored

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also good to know, I'll go with ddr2 then, thanks.
Once again it still seems good to live 6 months behind the curve.

[#] Wed Aug 12 2009 17:06:48 EDT from LoanShark @ Uncensored

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Watch out for those 6-dimm-slot socket 775 boards... usually they're a mix of ddr2 and ddr3 and you have to pick just one

[#] Wed Aug 12 2009 18:36:02 EDT from LoanShark @ Uncensored

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Ford: Asus P5QL-E

[#] Thu Aug 13 2009 09:13:06 EDT from Ford II @ Uncensored

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Keep the tips coming, thanks. I'll check out that board.

[#] Thu Aug 13 2009 09:21:46 EDT from Ford II @ Uncensored

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Ford: Asus P5QL-E

Sounds nice, but doesn't seem to be available anywhere...

[#] Thu Aug 13 2009 10:34:50 EDT from LoanShark @ Uncensored

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Newegg has it unless I mistyped the name.

[#] Thu Aug 13 2009 10:37:08 EDT from LoanShark @ Uncensored

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Looks like they sold out overnight.

[#] Thu Aug 13 2009 10:50:27 EDT from Ford II @ Uncensored

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must be the thing to have.

[#] Thu Aug 13 2009 10:56:11 EDT from Ford II @ Uncensored

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I'm looking at all the barebones and prebuilt and I'm not seeing anything that has what I want, so I guess it's another frankenstein machine.

[#] Tue Aug 18 2009 13:10:21 EDT from skpacman @ Uncensored

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I'm using an ASUS P5N-E SLI motherboard and have been for about 4 years now.. hasnt given up. might want to try that one if u want expandability.. it's not tri-channel but it'll get the job done with a quad core intel.

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[#] Wed Aug 19 2009 09:55:07 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

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Here's something interesting.

On a web forum where people are discussing consumer-grade routers, one person said "<provider> will replace your router for free; mine got killed by lightning and they replaced it for me"

I'm wondering whether "killed by lightning" has already become a sort of folk myth. Most of us have seen our share of dialup modems that met an early demise after taking a hit from a lightning bolt. I've opened a few up and seen the roasty-toasty components near the line jack. But in this case, the person is talking about a device that does not directly attach to any outdoor wiring -- and his outdoor wiring is fiber anyway.

The idea of a device like a router getting damaged by power drops and surges during a storm is somewhat more believable, but I really think people are remembering the "killed by lightning" routine from the days of dialup and inappropriately carrying it forward. It's an interesting observation of human behavior.

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