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[#] Mon Jun 29 2009 16:33:27 EDT from fleeb @ Uncensored

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Isn't MS Script Editor essentially VBScript?

[#] Mon Jun 29 2009 16:45:48 EDT from Ford II @ Uncensored

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wikipedia has a really good article on utf8.
I didn'r read the utf16 article, but basically utf8 is really slick, because it can do anything. But it stops being efficient if you represent one string with lots of different language characters in it.
Although I find it hard to understand why people complain about inefficient utf-8 (as in you may burn 4 bytes per character for the whole document in some cases) but they don't complain about the rest of the fucked up shit in the computer industry like.. oh... windows vista for example.
Anyway, so really you only need utf8, but if you're going to do lots of 4 byte characters, you're better off with utf 16 which makes more efficient use of the space for the same thing.

[#] Tue Jun 30 2009 03:00:06 EDT from dothebart @ Uncensored

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but if... like odf does... a gzip runs over that text it will compress better, and give you back your bigger space.

[#] Tue Jun 30 2009 09:48:19 EDT from fleeb @ Uncensored

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I should think UTF16 compresses at least as well as UTF8, but I haven't actually done any benchmarks to make sure.

UTF8 is pretty smart, though. It's truly a shame Microsoft went with UTF16.
It's awkward.

[#] Tue Jun 30 2009 15:51:09 EDT from Peter Pulse @ Uncensored

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So, not to derail the character encoding discussions.. but.. I want to replace my laptop hard disk with a bigger one.. but I don't know what brands/models are the reliable ones these days. Any suggestions? It's an old thinkpad.. so a regular 2.5 inch IDE drive, ideally want to put at least 160G in there but looking for more like 250+

[#] Tue Jun 30 2009 15:57:32 EDT from LoanShark @ Uncensored

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If it's old old, remember there is a 120gig barrier for standard IDE, for old BIOSes and operating systems.

[#] Tue Jun 30 2009 16:34:42 EDT from Peter Pulse @ Uncensored

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Hmm.. good point, it's a T30. I'll have to research it a bit. I should just move to a different laptop (actually I have a T42 I'm trying to get going) bt I started using this one when my other machine died and despite its slowness it is a very enjoyable machine.. solid, great keyboard etc.. all the things that made thinkpads great before they started going downhill. So I want to extend its life.

[#] Tue Jun 30 2009 16:36:35 EDT from dothebart @ Uncensored

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a good collection.

*prints and puts under the cussion*


[#] Tue Jun 30 2009 16:57:35 EDT from Peter Pulse @ Uncensored

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So, it seems that this machine does have LBA48 support in the most recent BIOS, I will just have to check to see if I need to update my BIOS.

[#] Wed Jul 01 2009 06:28:19 EDT from girthta @ Uncensored

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Well I didn't want to go to our Tech department because it's outsourced adn every request costs money. I thought I could figure it out but the IT Director (who is not an IT person really) overheard me talking to my boss about what I wanted to do and INSISTED that I submit a Sysaid and let them handle it. She said my time was better spent and I'm about the only person in the agency who would come up with a juicy request like that.

I may still try to figure out scripting stuff on my own... just cause I keep needing to use it.

[#] Wed Jul 01 2009 11:54:53 EDT from Peter Pulse @ Uncensored

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LOL Girtha he probably doesn't want you showing up his "department" ;)

So, does anyone have any suggestions for me on laptop hard disk brands??

[#] Thu Jul 02 2009 02:48:03 EDT from Dirk Stanley @ Uncensored

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So here's another "Oh-god-Dirk-has-no-clue"-type question :

So if UTF-8 essentially burns several bytes per character -

1. Does it use more bytes per character for normal English?
2. Does it use the same for, say, Chinese?

... In other words, would a document with 1000 English characters be smaller than a document with 1000 Chinese characters?

(And do IP packets still get addressed with standard ASCII, or can they use UTF-8 for that too somehow?)

[#] Thu Jul 02 2009 04:45:00 EDT from dothebart @ Uncensored

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the chinese will definitely be bigger. how big depends on how high in the unicode namespace the chinese chars are...

you pro'lly mean DNS by "ip" right? since ips are just numbers, they don't have a relation to UTF8.

DNS does something similar as you might have seen in your emails with base64 with umlaut domains... so a purely chinese domain might take up to 5 times what a generic english domain would take in glyphs.

[#] Thu Jul 02 2009 11:34:29 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

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Read the document I cited earlier; it'll answer all your questions.

Part of the brilliance of UTF-8 is that the representation of ASCII characters 0-127 does not change at all. It's strictly one byte per character, and characters 0-127 of UTF-8 are identical to characters 0-127 of ASCII. Nothing changes.

It's only when you get into the international character sets (such as Chinese) that you start to insert multibyte characters into the data stream. When you have a character in the range of 128-255, it means that you're constructing a multibyte character in UTF-8. This allows all characters to be representable using (mostly) existing software, without requiring wasted space for representation of ASCII characters.

Hmm, actually it's 1-127 and 128-254. 0 is still a null terminator, and 255 is used as an optional "byte order mark" (U+FEFF). The BOM is normally only used in UTF-16, but some software naively retains it when downconverting to UTF-8.

[#] Thu Jul 02 2009 15:39:44 EDT from fleeb @ Uncensored

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When you asked 'does it use more bytes per character for normal English', the answer is 'no'.

When you asked 'does it use the same for, say, Chinese', the answer is 'ASCII doesn't have a way to represent Chinese'. But that's a pedantic answer.

I'm not 100% sure, but I think it's possible to use more characters to represent some languages in UTF-8 than UTF-16 (the Windows solution). But for English, UTF-8 wins over UTF-16.

[#] Thu Jul 02 2009 17:03:30 EDT from LoanShark @ Uncensored

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Correct. For typical English and Western European languages, UTF-8 is a more compact encoding. However, for "CJK" Chinese/Japanese/Korean, UTF-16 is the more compact encoding. All of those characters are from a codepoint range that encodes to three UTF-8 bytes or (usually) two UTF-16 bytes.

[#] Thu Jul 02 2009 19:38:24 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

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I would say that UTF-8 wins for "all Western languages" rather than just US English / US ASCII, since most of those languages share a large portion of the same character set.

[#] Sat Jul 04 2009 09:15:43 EDT from Ford II @ Uncensored

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ivereplaced exactly one laptop hd in the machine im using now its a toshiba and so far so good.
the drive that died was a western digital but thats a 3.5 desktop drive.
so much for SMART warning me of impending failure...

[#] Sat Jul 04 2009 15:41:53 EDT from Harbard @ Uncensored

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A stupid question...did you have some SMART tool software enabled?  As far as I know, no OS has these tools installed by default.

[#] Sat Jul 04 2009 17:17:06 EDT from Ford II @ Uncensored

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oh.. well... there is that.

So I was about to format the drive when i decided to run recovery boot.
Looked at the boot drive it was fine.
Then I rmemberd something about the slave drive being the boot drive, so I told my bios to boot from the slave, and VOILA. working machine.
So I'm not sure what went wrong.
I'm running chkdsk on all the drives, I have a feeling one of my drives is on the way out, but somebody (BIOS or MBR) lost track of which drive was the boot drive.
I still think something's wrong, but now I don't know what.
I could just be that it shutdown due to overheating. I'll never know.
but there was definetly a boot or two where the bios had a hard time detecting IDE devices.
I'm sure something will go wrong at the worst time and I won't be able to figure out what it is.
but at least now I have the opoortunity to back everything upl.

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