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[#] Mon Jan 07 2002 10:13:40 EST from setho @ Uncensored

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It's interesting that everyone thinks that Lucas doesn't care about the fans.
I think that Lucasfilm has done quite a bit for its fan base. They just don't cater to the fans every whim.

[#] Mon Jan 07 2002 12:51:00 EST from Shadowfax @ Uncensored

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Whoopie Goldberg wanted to be on Star Trek and she got to be the Guinan character, who was actually pretty interesteing if severely undeveloped. n'Sync, well, who cares if it is a second or so. I'm in a window of the Voyager because mojo was at a convention and took a picture of my group but I"m like 2 pixels tall so no one can tell. ;)

[#] Mon Jan 07 2002 13:05:26 EST from Mr.T @ Uncensored

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setho, please cite specific examples. I'm definitely listening, but I'm just wondering how I missed so many of them.

[#] Mon Jan 07 2002 14:02:57 EST from Monochrome @ Uncensored

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Given that George only makes money if the fans go to the movie I'd say he cares a great deal about his fans. We just aren't the "typical" fan.

[#] Mon Jan 07 2002 14:12:29 EST from flynn @ Uncensored

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The ULTIMATE star wars geek..I mean..uhhh..fans

http://www.seattlestarwars.com/

[#] Mon Jan 07 2002 14:23:33 EST from setho @ Uncensored

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I'm with Monochrome. He's created a very carefully crafted world for us.
We are entering *HIS* vision. He doesn't have to conform to ours.

[#] Mon Jan 07 2002 14:29:42 EST from Mr.T @ Uncensored

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True, but in my view, there is a fundamental difference: The first 2-2.5 movies were a vision of something great; now, the movies are a vision of marketing appeal.

[#] Mon Jan 07 2002 15:03:31 EST from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

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*ding!* Yup, that's it in a nutshell.

[#] Mon Jan 07 2002 15:29:04 EST from Ygorl @ Uncensored

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It's really not all that different, you were just too young back when the original trilogy was being released to see it for what it was.

Don't like it? Don't go see the films. Personally I'm thrilled to have new Star Wars flicks to look forward to, even if they don't always live up to my expectations.

[#] Mon Jan 07 2002 16:11:36 EST from LoanShark @ Uncensored

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Ya know? You saw Star Wars for the first time when you were, maybe, 5-7 years old. If you'd been 20, would your opinions have formed differently?

[#] Mon Jan 07 2002 16:14:15 EST from setho @ Uncensored

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I actually enjoyed the Phantom Menace. Did I like Jar Jar? Hell no. But I thought that it brought together some interesting pieces for us to think about. It's like watching the Indiana Jones opening sequence where you learn about the whip and hat, and snakes. It was fun.

[#] Mon Jan 07 2002 16:21:12 EST from felix @ Uncensored

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I liked Phantom Menace, too.

I just wish they would release an edition with Jar-Jar edited out, or
maybe just muted. They could even replace his voice with alien-sounding
noises and give him less obnoxious dialogue in subtitles. I don't think
any of these options would do much damage to the plot. %^)

[#] Mon Jan 07 2002 17:06:47 EST from Shadowfax @ Uncensored

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SW has so much hype and following that Lucas could make a movie of the Jedi taking a collective dump and people would go see it in droves. SW for its time was an amazing movie and historically it set the stage for all the other sf movies after it. Granted it was stereotypical mellow-drama but it was done well. I still like the movie now even though the fx are old and I can quote every line.

PM didn't do anything new nor did it have any revolutionary special effects. It did the fx very well and I'll admit that the pod race was cool, even though the pods themselves were stupid looking but it doesn't carry an entire movie.

[#] Mon Jan 07 2002 21:42:58 EST from Zaphod Beeblebrox @ Uncensored

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I was very critical of Phantom Menace when it came
out, now, i just try to view it from kids perspective.
Yes, i think Star Wars & Empire were his best efforts,
However, it really does have to do with your age.
I was 5 when i saw Star Wars, and still under 10 when
i say Empire. Sure, it would be cool if Lucas wanted
to cater to the "older" star wars fans, but he knows
he has a bigger audience in kids. So he has to do some
things for the kids (Jar Jar). Personally, the best
parts of Phantom Menace for me were the computer
generated landscapes. However, in some aspects all
of the CG stuff made it more flat. I prefer Models!!!
I mean, when you see Star Wars and the Star Cruiser is
flying over your head and never seems to end WAS AWESOME.
But it looked REAL, somehow if that same scene was done
with a computer, it wouldn't have the same effect..

With that said, I actually enjoyed those three books
that Timothy Zahn wrote, that kinda started up all
the star wars hype. Grand Admiral Thrawn..hmmm.

Imagination kills Animation.

peace.zaphod.

[#] Tue Jan 08 2002 08:07:27 EST from catwoman @ Haven BBS

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My problem with Phantom Menace vs the earlier Star Wars was it just didn't inspire you to care about the characters like the original ones did.

[#] Tue Jan 08 2002 10:53:04 EST from Shadowfax @ Uncensored

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I cared about Jar-Jar - cared that he would get blown to bits but unfortunately, that never happened. ;)

[#] Tue Jan 08 2002 11:22:55 EST from Mr.T @ Uncensored

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I must respectfully call bullshit. The first three movies didn't haven gimmicky under 11 demographic pandering crap in them (with the obvious exception of the Ewoks, and I must say I don't think much of them). That's what Lucas forgot: he made solid movies that didn't talk down to kids, AND IT WORKED. It *worked* on us, kids at the time (speaking for myself, of course). Had he put all that crap in the first three, I doubt they would have been nearly as successful. Everyone I know likes (and liked at the time, when they were little) Return of the Jedi the least for that very reason.

[#] Tue Jan 08 2002 11:24:39 EST from wizard of aahz @ Uncensored

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But the first two movies didn't have Leia in a bikini.

[#] Tue Jan 08 2002 12:26:07 EST from Mrs. Icom @ Uncensored

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SEXIST PIGS! ALL OF YOU!!

[#] Tue Jan 08 2002 12:31:00 EST from felix @ Uncensored

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Wow. Good thing you didn't mention the chains, ne?

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