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[#] Mon Dec 15 2003 18:33:39 EST from Patriot @ PixelBBS

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And the movie was complete tripe. Starship Troopers, the original book, was a WHOLE lot better than the movie.

[#] Mon Dec 15 2003 09:29:45 EST from wizard of aahz @ Uncensored

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Hmmm. And those were all the reasons I read that stuff in the first place.

[#] Mon Dec 15 2003 14:12:27 EST from fleeb @ Uncensored

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I'm thinking about Delaney and his Neveryon series.

A lot of very bizarre sex.

Much of Delaney has polyamory going on.

Must be a thing for older science fiction writers to devolve into sci-fi sex or something.

[#] Mon Dec 15 2003 15:46:24 EST from Ford II @ Uncensored

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I figured since I'm building my cabinet in my living room I can turn on the tv and watched battlestar galactica, the whole 4 hours. I was impressed. They could have made that a real movie and I think it would have taken off.

[#] Tue Dec 16 2003 08:15:37 EST from fleeb @ Uncensored

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Delaney is a fine writer, but as you say, he could probably benefit from a little focus.

The Neveryon series is interesting in this regard. It reads to me like a good author who uses a few characters to sketch out some personal demons.
There's sex, to be sure, but the read to me is more interesting as the focus is more diffuse (with intention). It's almost like reading a diary. Particularly one place where he contrasts events in his life (openly, no literary devices or anything) with events concerning the characters he uses in this series.
Or was it a comparison? Hard to explain... he just sort of put them side-by-side.

He strikes me as an interesting person to meet.

[#] Tue Dec 16 2003 11:43:47 EST from Peter Pulse @ Uncensored

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Stranger in a Strange Land is chock-full of sex. But whether because or in spite of that it's a great book. Starship Troopers is also a great book, and it has little to no sex in it, and lots of philosophy and story. The movie Starship Troopers has no philosophy and very little story, and what story it has is a trite Hollywood action plot having nothing in common with the book.

[#] Tue Dec 16 2003 21:10:39 EST from Richard @ The Cocoon!

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I haven't read alot of Heinlein. I don't think I've read his most popular stuff, but what I have read was pretty good. I enjoyed the first person perspective, which is tougher to write, but I think he does a good job of it.

I read Dhalgren (most of it) back in I don't know, maybe 1982 or somewhere around then. I haven't read any Delaney since then, but I recently dug out a copy of Nova which I remember enjoying. I'll probably read it again soon.

[#] Wed Dec 17 2003 08:41:16 EST from catwoman @ Haven BBS

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I loved Stranger in a Strange Land...haven't read anything else of his.

[#] Wed Dec 17 2003 11:17:32 EST from terrorist @ Dog Pound BBS II

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One book stands out, "Time Enough For Love." Impossible to grok without reading the prequels but TEFL is the quintessimal Heinlein.

[#] Wed Dec 17 2003 18:37:56 EST from Patriot @ PixelBBS

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It's not impossible to read without reading the others. It works on its own quite well, imho.

[#] Wed Dec 17 2003 19:42:54 EST from terrorist @ Dog Pound BBS II

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Of course it can be read, I said "grok"ed.

Without at least a few of the prequels TEFL doesn't make much sense and the sexual attraction and activity would turn most people away. I really like how TEFL tests boundaries without grossness or pandering.

[#] Wed Dec 17 2003 19:53:20 EST from Patriot @ PixelBBS

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*rolls eyes*
'grok'ed' 'understood' 'read', whatever.

It still works as a standalone. The prequels HELP, yes. But they're not necessary.

[#] Sat Dec 27 2003 00:40:11 EST from mightbme @ Dog Pound BBS II

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Heinlein: Try Podkayne of Mars. Get the recent edition, which has both the ending the publisher insisted on (happy ending) and the one Heinlein originally wrote (not so happy ending). Only problem is H didn't write convincingly from the female point of view.

[#] Sat Dec 27 2003 00:41:21 EST from mightbme @ Dog Pound BBS II

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Oh, and I bet they do edit Galactica into a movie; they did with the original one.

[#] Sat Dec 27 2003 08:53:42 EST from Freakdog @ Dog Pound BBS II

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The original Galactica? The TV show started just after the events of the movie...but the movie was released a few weeks after the show started.

[#] Sun Dec 28 2003 18:19:38 EST from mightbme @ Dog Pound BBS II

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Yeah, I think they edited two episodes into a pilot TV movie or's been a long time.

[#] Sun Dec 28 2003 19:59:45 EST from Freakdog @ Dog Pound BBS II

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As I recall, they just made it into two episodes, later. I seem to recall the very first episode, aired on TV a few weeks before the movie came out (talk about dumb timing), was the aftermath.

[#] Mon Dec 29 2003 10:34:46 EST from Mr.T @ Uncensored

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nadia, have you had time to watch the Tripods? How are they?

[#] Mon Dec 29 2003 22:06:49 EST from mightbme @ Haven BBS

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FD: Part of Galactica's problems was, it was on network. Said network jerked its slots and timing around.

[#] Tue Dec 30 2003 00:32:27 EST from Freakdog @ Dog Pound BBS II

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I didn't remember that much, either...used to watch it with my dad...oh, recollections of the 70s are pretty fuzzy.

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