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[#] Sat Nov 02 2013 19:33:21 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

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Word wrapping has always been odd for me, I figured it was the way it is.


Yeah, you keep talling yourself that. "Word wrapping has always been odd for me!" "I figured that was the wat it is."

yeah.

[#] Sat Nov 02 2013 22:25:09 EDT from zooer @ Uncensored

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There you go with the tall comments again. Stop being a bully.

[#] Mon Nov 04 2013 18:55:19 EST from fleeb @ Uncensored

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I haven't
had any problems with word wr
apping and Citadel. It has always worked pretty well, without any issues at all
for me.

[#] Mon Nov 11 2013 17:45:06 EST from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

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Not only that, but it now has the ability to encrypt everything using ROT26 in real time.



[#] Mon Nov 11 2013 22:23:47 EST from zooer @ Uncensored

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True security experts recommend ROT104

[#] Mon Nov 11 2013 22:28:17 EST from zooer @ Uncensored

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So when is that latest text-client going to be available somewhere? The one that knows what https: and the Who list is and randomly
makes angry statements about Obama, Microsoft and facebook.

[#] Tue Nov 12 2013 00:28:00 EST from ax25 @ Uncensored

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Mon Nov 11 2013 10:28:17 PM EST from zooer @ Uncensored
So when is that latest text-client going to be available somewhere? The one that knows what https: and the Who list is and randomly
makes angry statements about Obama, Microsoft and facebook.

When you write it.  I took a peek at the code already (pre-split codebase).  Tag, you are it.



[#] Tue Nov 12 2013 02:03:09 EST from zooer @ Uncensored

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Nov 12 2013 12:28am from ax25 @uncnsrd
When you write it.  I took a peek at the code already (pre-split codebase).
 Tag, you are it.

It was written, see this entry of October 4th.


Oct 4 2013 10:08pm from IGnatius T Foobar @uncnsrd
So I've made a change to the client code. No telling how long it'll
take before that code falls into your eager hands, but it's checked
into the tree so you'll get it eventually. :)

It now starts with an array containing "http://" "https://" and
"ftp://" and runs through the message searching for each of those
prefixes.

Share And Enjoy.



I was wondering what "eventually" meant.

[#] Tue Nov 12 2013 10:37:14 EST from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

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Agreed. And if you've got the hardware, ROT676 is enough to thwart even the NSA.

[#] Mon Dec 16 2013 21:28:06 EST from platonov @ Uncensored

Subject: What kind of joke is this: save the text client?

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This message has to do with the ability to edit the posts.

Why do you need to "save" the text client?

I thought that the text client is merely the interface to the citserver in that it can execute any and all operations available to citadel server.

Am I missing something?

As far as I can see, that interface is the best way to interact with the server even from webcit, which has all sorts of issues.

It is like an API. It is either you call the kernel or internals directly from webcit for example, which is bizarre of an idea, or you call it via the interface, which, in this case, would be a "text client".

Here is the real problem we have:

We need to edit the posts. It is simply a must. On our system everything counts, down to the last dot and comma. Because what is posted is a result of a flood of information that comes from the sources "above", and I would prefer we don't get into this.

Which means that when information comes, you better "hold on to your seed" in order not to miss some of it. It is like a switch: "transmission started", and then "transmission ended". If you can not type fast enough, even if you are the fastest typist in the world, you will INEVITABLY miss some things.

As a result, there are many syntax errors in the text. Secondly, when you review the text to correct those errors, you may recover some of the information that was missed during the flood.

So, what we need is the ability to EDIT the posts.

It seems that from the webcit it is not possible to edit the posts.

In that case, the text client could theoretically be used if we can recover, for example, the entire room need be, in the SMTP/NNTP message format, then hand edit the messages, then repost them to the room overriding the original messages. But the time stamps can not change. That is the condition. Because the message sequencing is important in our case.

So... What do we do? Can it be done?

I was sent to this room as an insult it seems, like if you talk garbage like this, then you deserve to be sent to the room of "resurrecting the text client" where all the plague victims gather, only if that guy knew WHO is he sending and where. But that is "besides the point" I guess. Right?

So, the bottom line is: how do I edit the posts, "text client", heaven or hell?

 



[#] Mon Dec 16 2013 21:36:52 EST from platonov @ Uncensored

Subject: Can you please enable the subscription to this room?

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I'd like to subscribe to the mailing list for this room.

With all due respect to webcit part of it, the real problems we are having seem to be resolvable through text client, at least as it currently stands.

We need bulk operations in many cases.

Thanx in advance.



[#] Tue Dec 17 2013 04:40:05 EST from the_mgt @ Uncensored

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Most of Citadel is actually an email server. Would you request Gmail to enable editing of mails that were sent to you or that you sent out to others? Does that even make sense?

Now, I can understand the wish to be able to edit wiki or blog posts, calendars and the notes/tasks. But emails?

On a side note: This is a project driven by a small bunch of developers, it does what it does and it does not do what it does not. The devs might add new features on request, but in order to do that, they need to find the time and motivation to do so. Nagging and ranting is probably not something that kicks off motivation a lot in open source projects.

Speaking of open source: That is this trend were people have open repositories of the code, which can even be downloaded, modified and if working, patches are allowed to be send back. That is not everyones favorite workflow, but it is pretty much what you get from a free open source project.

Another thing is the packaging (addressed in another post): If distros feel free to package software, they are the ones responsible for it. I am running Citadel on Redhat and Gentoo, both are community provided packages, both mostly the latest versions. I have not heard of or had any runtime issues on these systems. If Ubuntu chose to pull the crappiest running version from somewhere, roll it up and provide it to their users, it is up to them to fix it.

tldr: Holiday season at the end of the year is coming up, be kind and stop screaming, please. Cheers!



[#] Tue Dec 17 2013 20:53:54 EST from Sig @ Uncensored

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I sympathize to an extent about the editing problem; I rather wish I could, too, but that's mostly because I still see Citadel primarily as a BBS that happens to do some other groupware-type stuff that I don't much care about. For the target audience, editing messages after the fact doesn't make much sense.

I don't think it's possible using the text client, either.

[#] Wed Dec 18 2013 04:19:18 EST from the_mgt @ Uncensored

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I like the idea too. As you said, if you see Citadel as a BBS and/or forum, it would make sense. But it is based on emails.

On the other hand, fb and twatter do not let you edit (in a large style) either, from what I heard.



[#] Wed Dec 18 2013 10:19:40 EST from fleeb @ Uncensored

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I am not sure about the web client, but you can hold a message, at which point you may edit the message later. It isn't made public, but you can edit it afterwards.

Are you wanting a way to edit messages that have already been posted?

I could see this as useful, although it's funny how many people don't want such a feature. I'd argue that if someone wanted to add such a feature, it ought to be enabled by a configuration option for the room, so certain rooms have the ability, while other rooms don't.

That way, for those who want to be able to edit messages, you can edit messages, but for those who don't, you can't.

[#] Wed Dec 18 2013 13:56:01 EST from Freakdog

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On the other hand, fb and twatter do not let you edit (in a large
style) either, from what I heard.

FB does, now.

[#] Wed Dec 18 2013 14:00:20 EST from Freakdog

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I like the idea too. As you said, if you see Citadel as a BBS and/or
forum, it would make sense. But it is based on emails.

IGgy can correct me, but I believe you have it reversed, the_mgt. It's a BBS that has been extended to include Groupware functionality...disable the SMTP, POP3 and IMAP ports, and what do you have?

A BBS.

For the purposes of emails, I agree...editing after the fact is "bad mojo"(tm), and that would go for rooms that have been set up to act as email listservs, as well...but for a general purpose, discussion room, it *could* be useful.

However, I agree with the earlier noted idea that if the requester wants items to be editable in a particular room, make that room a Wiki room.

Otherwise, editing messages after they've already been entered could lead to some very disingenuous situations.

[#] Wed Dec 18 2013 21:52:18 EST from Sig @ Uncensored

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I don't know anything about how the back end works, but maybe there's a way to add another "type" of room that is BBS-like and has editable messages.

[#] Thu Dec 19 2013 02:53:16 EST from the_mgt @ Uncensored

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Wed Dec 18 2013 14:00:20 EST from Freakdog @ Dog Pound BBS II
I like the idea too. As you said, if you see Citadel as a BBS and/or
forum, it would make sense. But it is based on emails.

IGgy can correct me, but I believe you have it reversed, the_mgt. It's a BBS that has been extended to include Groupware functionality...disable the SMTP, POP3 and IMAP ports, and what do you have?

A mail server that is only sending to and receiving from itself? ;P

I know that the history is like you described, but I guess technically it is all mail today. Besides, were the old BBS's editable?

 

Don't get me wrong, for a real forum/BBS room, I would like an edit feature to clean out typos, etc. , too. But knowing the little time the devs atm have for such features, I'd not expect it in any 8.x release.

My main point was btw to get the requesting person to relax. We all want our favorite features implemented ASAP, but most people ask for this in a polite way.



[#] Thu Dec 19 2013 22:38:18 EST from fleeb @ Uncensored

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I do not recall being able to edit messages in the old modem-style BBSes of old. Once you sent the message out, it was out. You couldn't even delete it.

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