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[#] Thu Dec 11 2014 11:03:00 EST from vince-q @ Uncensored

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2014-12-11 08:17 from LoanShark @uncnsrd

... so normally we just ignore you.



I see you to be expert in the leading fallacious technique employed by all those who have nothing of merit to contribute.

Argumentum ad hominem is the true mark of an asshole. So now we know where *you* belong.

[#] Thu Dec 11 2014 11:07:00 EST from LoanShark @ Uncensored

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2014-12-11 08:17 from LoanShark @uncnsrd

... so normally we just ignore you.




[#] Thu Dec 11 2014 11:07:57 EST from LoanShark @ Uncensored

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Argumentum ad hominem is the true mark of an asshole. So now we know

where *you* belong.

Coming from a racist birther whose whole m.o. is to lob ad hominems, that's hypocritical in the extreme.

Vince, you really are a fucking idiot. And I *do* mean to offend.

[#] Thu Dec 11 2014 11:07:59 EST from LoanShark @ Uncensored

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[#] Thu Dec 11 2014 11:09:29 EST from vince-q @ Uncensored

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FYI: I interpreted the original message as humor. Obviously that point COMPLETELY missed your brain, suffering as you do from a terminal case of CRI.

[#] Thu Dec 11 2014 11:26:57 EST from LoanShark @ Uncensored

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OK LULZ

[#] Thu Dec 11 2014 19:15:26 EST from nristen @ Uncensored

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You can't argue with stupid... I've tried!

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[#] Thu Dec 11 2014 20:03:36 EST from zooer @ Uncensored

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Has "racist" offical replaced "Nazis/Hitler"?

[#] Fri Dec 12 2014 08:26:23 EST from fleeb @ Uncensored

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I've never used any of those as variables in my code.

I have, however, used this:

HANDLE messiah = 0;

[#] Fri Dec 12 2014 13:02:15 EST from fleeb @ Uncensored

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Maybe one or two of you guys have dealt with Mercurial before, and can laugh at me.

I have a rather poor background with regards to source control, in all due fairness. My first exposure to source control involved the fucking hell that Source Safe from Microsoft provides as a kind of affront to source control, so I tend to look at source control from those fractured lenses. It's terrible, I know it, but that's the shitty foundation of learning I have to build upon.

Later, I became at least somewhat familiar with subversion. It has a relatively familiar feel to it, as it's kind of monolithic, yet edges me into a modern source control tool that doesn't completely suck or make me want to give up software engineering altogether. Branch, work on shit, merge the branch to trunk, tag it when you're ready to bag it, wash, rince, and repeat.

Mercurial and git were designed with a different sort of need in mind. Or, at least, git was. The jury is still out on Mercurial, at least from my perspective. With git, you have this sense of a local repository from which you work on your code, saving changes to it and all that. With other people doing the same thing, when you want to send your updates to the remote repository, you first have to pull down any changes from the remote repository and resolve it with your local repository (merge, 'shelve', or obliterate with the remote file or local file depending on whichever one you want to keep). After resolving it locally (thus also making the thing work with whatever changes you've checked in locally), you push it out to the remote server, and everything does the happy dance.

At least that feels to me like something that would make sense. It feels like the way we would work. Mercurial, though, feels... different.
It adds a layer of mystery. Or perhaps it's just TortoiseHg's interface that defeats me. I have no fucking idea if my changes are making it to the remote repository.

I'll work on my code for a bit, and click 'commit' to save my code to the local repository. Mercurial complains that I did something wrong, even though I haven't pulled any remote changes to the local repository since I started working on the damned code.

So, I assume that it's complaining about something that change in the remote repository. Sure enough, the remote repository has changes. I pull them to my local repository, resolve any problems, and then discover that I've already committed. I have no fucking idea if I've committed to the local or remote repository. The interface seems to tell me that I've already committed to the remote repository, but now I'm suspicious.

It's just... I can't tell if this is a social experiment, or if I'm honestly doing something right, but just overly concerned about proper source control when I oughta just say 'fuck it' and risk obliterating everything anyone else has done for shits and giggles.

[#] Fri Dec 12 2014 15:30:51 EST from dothebart @ Uncensored

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having worked with hg over at gemalto for half a year or so, one thing I can tell you is that you want to enable mercurial queues

its similar to the git stash, though it can un-apply commits, rebase them, and re-apply them on a relative automatic fashion.

that way you can avoid the merge commit git has in any way.

I don't think that hg is that inferiour to git anyways; i'd compare it to llvm / GCC. opponents of similar strength being playground for new features, one inspiring the other.



[#] Fri Dec 12 2014 21:38:56 EST from fleeb @ Uncensored

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I'll look at that, next time I struggling with Mercurial.

I honestly didn't think I'd have that hard a time working with Mercurial.
But... something is weird about it.

I think I've figured out that my commits are actually getting pushed upstream to the main repository, which is confusing to me.

[#] Fri Dec 12 2014 23:35:02 EST from ax25 @ Uncensored

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I would not know as I am more of a Bazaar man myself :-)  Always meant to give Hg a spin, but now I am scared.



[#] Sat Dec 13 2014 15:25:58 EST from dothebart @ Uncensored

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oh, any non-canonical associated BZR fans around?

I've always noticed it as inferiour comrpomise between hg/git and svn/cvs...

 



[#] Sat Dec 13 2014 18:04:39 EST from fleeb @ Uncensored

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It's also entirely possible my confusion with Mercurial (or at least with TortoiseHg) is self-inflicted... that I'm trying to understand it a little too thoroughly, and if I just got into the swing of things and didn't think about it, everything would be super-simple and spiffy-funshine.

[#] Sun Dec 14 2014 23:55:56 EST from ax25 @ Uncensored

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Not a fan, just a fan of Python, as it is likely I could possibly fix it if it broke in the future.



[#] Mon Dec 15 2014 05:07:56 EST from dothebart @ Uncensored

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Sun Dec 14 2014 23:55:56 EST from ax25 @ Uncensored

Not a fan, just a fan of Python, as it is likely I could possibly fix it if it broke in the future.



well, this accounts true for HG too ;-)



[#] Tue Dec 16 2014 12:05:50 EST from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

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Has "racist" offical replaced "Nazis/Hitler"?

Not quite ... around here we've managed to migrate "ad hitlerium" to "ad absurdum" and get some humor out of it. "Racist" on the other hand is still an absurd battle cry of the racist left.

Those paying attention know that calling a non-racist a racist because they don't agree with the liberal agenda (by the way, "birther" isn't a dirty word, and I'm proud to be one) is a pretty simplistic kafkatrap and can be safely disregarded.

(Anyone not familiar with the concept of kafkatrapping should read http://esr.ibiblio.org/?p=2122 and spread the word!)

Anyway, I thought we covered this stuff years ago. We don't hate Obama because he's black. Only a racist would even consider thinking of it that way. We hate Obama because he hates us ("us" being patriotic Americans, non-muslims, capitalists, etc) and is working as hard as he can to destroy our nation's sovereignty and identity.

If we hated Obama because he's black, we would also hate Allen West, which we don't because Allen West is TOTALLY FREAKING AWESOME.

[#] Thu Dec 18 2014 23:14:02 EST from ax25 @ Uncensored

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True Hg is Python, but I found Bzr quite a simple transition from my days using CVS -> Subversion -> Bzr.  Most of the commands just stayed the same (at least until Bzr with repos).



[#] Sat Dec 20 2014 16:02:21 EST from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

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I have nothing to say about any of this ... to be totally honest, I was happy with CVS. I was persuaded into SVN and later Git because "that's how we do it now" but all I've ever needed is simple version control...

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