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[#] Sun Jan 02 2011 21:47:16 EST from Ford II @ Uncensored

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result is even more un-readable than you might have imagined. (They are

using some JAXB-type XML binding system, so it generates xsi:type
everywhere instead of using actual tag names to distinguish data
types.)

I flipped out so much when I started seeing xsi everywhere that I didn't even bother to find out what it was.
so now they've taken xml which was supposed to be human readable, and made it unreadable, so it serves no purpose as well as serving no purpose. Or any other purpose for that matter.


[#] Sun Jan 02 2011 21:50:36 EST from Ford II @ Uncensored

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space and perform backtracking. So if you have to analyze a large
amount of data under backtracking, these might be more efficient. But

for typical business OLTP problems, not so much.

Okay, I can see that (although I'll go with that might thing as well because there are plenty of ways to optomize all sorts of data algorythms, right?) but how much of the real world use of computers is ever any of that mythological shit that acedemics spend so much time and energy making proof of concepts for?

I'm not saying never do it, but I just can't see so much of a market that there needs to be more than 1 niche player.

But that's a sweeping generalizaion based on little actual information so I won't go on about that too much, :-)

[#] Sun Jan 02 2011 21:53:00 EST from Ford II @ Uncensored

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Tha language on its own is actually quite nice.

I used to think it the most disgusting thing I've ever been forced to use, but then somebody pointed out that javascript is the new basic.
It's the best way to teach a child how to program.
And then I thought about how shitty basic is, and realized I don't have much firm ground to stand on when bitching about javascript so since I learned on basic.

basic didn't have closures though, and I have to give it a lot of credit for that.

[#] Mon Jan 03 2011 18:42:27 EST from dothebart @ Uncensored

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starting to hate c++.

was examing nodejs.org and znc to find out how they use c-ares.

its that hard to read, you have to know 5 places to understand whats going on in one.

basicaly I first failed because of I didn't test whether the  migration libevent -> libev was successfull *GNGN*



[#] Mon Jan 03 2011 23:08:18 EST from LoanShark @ Uncensored

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Jan 3 2011 6:42pm from dothebart @uncnsrd
starting to hate c++.

A little late to the party, no?

<Nelson>Haha!</Nelson>

[#] Mon Jan 03 2011 23:09:55 EST from LoanShark @ Uncensored

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"XML is a data format not a human interface (it's a parse tree rather
than a sentence). I cannot stand typing/reading XML. Remember, being an
expert in XML is like being an expert in comma separated values. Cracks
me up that there are conferences on this data format."

--Terence Parr, author of ANTLR,
http://blog.athico.com/2007/06/interview-with-antlr-30-author-terrence.html

[#] Tue Jan 04 2011 07:38:18 EST from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

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But it compresses well!

<ducks>

[#] Tue Jan 04 2011 07:58:48 EST from dothebart @ Uncensored

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just waiting how long it will take to have a standardization to access other parts of a surrounding mime container from json.

that'd be the only good reason for soap to continue to exist the way it is now.

wsdl already managed to become interpretation agnostic; nowadays you can describe also non-xml based structures with it.



[#] Tue Jan 04 2011 12:32:41 EST from Ford II @ Uncensored

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yay, lets propogate the mess even more.

[#] Tue Jan 04 2011 13:13:54 EST from dothebart @ Uncensored

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Di Jan 04 2011 12:32:41 EST von Ford II @ Uncensored Betreff: Re:
yay, lets propogate the mess even more.

I prefer mess about chatty bullshit.

plus, json has one advance above xml: its utf8 by default which eases parser creation.

if you want a better alternative, use ASN1.



[#] Mon Jan 10 2011 19:14:03 EST from LoanShark @ Uncensored

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if you want a better alternative, use ASN1.

It's been said before, but: http://hessian.caucho.com/

[#] Wed Jan 12 2011 11:54:51 EST from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

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With web services, switching to a better format involves getting the people who write the clients to agree to use it. If you can distribute client libraries, that's great, but it does make life difficult for folks who don't really want to keep grafting on lots of libraries for every little thing...

[#] Thu Jan 13 2011 04:26:43 EST from dothebart @ Uncensored

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plus it doesn't have any kind of RFC attached to it, which it should.

plus, it also does require HTTP again, which is waste of bandwith.

plus, it most probably can be expressed in ASN.1, and is therefore redundand.



[#] Thu Jan 13 2011 07:48:27 EST from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

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um ... what?

[#] Fri Jan 14 2011 10:48:20 EST from LoanShark @ Uncensored

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asn.1 is not particularly easy to use.

[#] Fri Jan 14 2011 16:24:33 EST from Ford II @ Uncensored

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http isn't ideal but it's far far better than just about everything else.

[#] Sat Jan 15 2011 20:06:42 EST from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

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The win with HTTP is its simplicity. Simplicity always wins. It's the same reason SIP became the standard for VoIP even though H.323 predated it by a long time.

(Just don't ask me why IMAP succeeded.)

[#] Sun Jan 16 2011 23:23:04 EST from LoanShark @ Uncensored

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Complaining about bandwidth inefficiency in HTTP strikes me as rather misguided.



It's just a few bytes in the header. Supports binary transfer modes. On the whole, quite effiecient.

There is a reason why protocols should be mostly human-readable: people have to develop in them.

[#] Mon Jan 17 2011 02:35:32 EST from dothebart @ Uncensored

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So Jan 16 2011 23:23:04 EST von LoanShark @ Uncensored

Complaining about bandwidth inefficiency in HTTP strikes me as rather misguided.



It's just a few bytes in the header. Supports binary transfer modes. On the whole, quite effiecient.

There is a reason why protocols should be mostly human-readable: people have to develop in them.

there are wireshark pulgins to make them human readable.



[#] Mon Jan 17 2011 12:22:41 EST from Ford II @ Uncensored

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(Just don't ask me why IMAP succeeded.)

Did it? I stopped caring much about pop4 because it was pretty obvious to me that webmail kinda did away with the need for imap.


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