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[#] Sun Oct 20 2013 11:41:40 EDT from zooer @ Uncensored

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Terry McAuliffe, got the money the Clinton's needed, set to be Governor of Virginia.

Where is that video of Bill Clinton at someone's funeral, he is walking laughing his ass off and then he sees a
camera and he turns sad face and fake wipes away a tear.

[#] Sun Oct 20 2013 16:48:30 EDT from Sig @ Uncensored

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In fairness, if I can't laugh at a funeral, I probably don't know the
person well enough to attend.

[#] Sun Oct 20 2013 16:54:13 EDT from zooer @ Uncensored

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That is fine Sig but the pure fakeness of the tears is what bothered me. Big smile, sees the camera, fakes
sadness and tears.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vDtcyVbPvC4

[#] Tue Oct 22 2013 11:08:30 EDT from fleeb @ Uncensored

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Could have been wiping away tears of laughter. Heh.

[#] Tue Oct 22 2013 11:14:21 EDT from vince-q @ Uncensored

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Oct 20 2013 4:48pm from Sig @uncnsrd
In fairness, if I can't laugh at a funeral, I probably don't know the

person well enough to attend.


True enough in the context of Wake (as in Irish/Italian Wake, which is primarily a celebration of the deceaced's life).

In the context of Bill Clinton, however, such comparisons fall far short.

Bill Clinton is about Bill Clinton - period. He is the center of his own ill-perceived universe and is very much a scumbag of astronomical magnitude.

[#] Tue Oct 22 2013 11:38:52 EDT from zooer @ Uncensored

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Good people don't get involved in politics.

[#] Tue Oct 22 2013 13:28:50 EDT from vince-q @ Cascade Lodge BBS

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Tue Oct 22 2013 08:38:52 PDT from zooer @ Uncensored
Good people don't get involved in politics.

Politics, in any sort of democracy, is like belonging to a club.

Paying your taxes is the equivalent of paying your club dues.

Voting is the equivalent of attending your club's periodic "mandatory meetings."

Voicing an opinion or running for "club office" is not required, but leads to a more enjoyable and fulfilling "club experience." Ask any Freemason, or Elk, or... you get the idea.

The important point here is that if you do not pay your dues, and do not fulfill your mandatory obligation(s) then you lose your right to bitch and moan.

And if you go vote (the 'mandatory meeting' thing) without being self-educated to the issues and/or candidates involved then you are an irresponsible fool.

And that goes a LONG way toward explaining how Barack Hussein Obama managed to sneak into the Presidency...

NOTE

The use of the term "you" in the above message is generic and not to be interpreted as "aimed" at any individual. However, as "they" say, "If the foo shits, wear it!"



[#] Tue Oct 22 2013 21:15:38 EDT from fleeb @ Uncensored

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I got involved in politics for a few years, although only at the condominium board level.

I got involved because I wanted to help. I don't know if I actually did help, but I had good intentions, and I like to believe I at least kept some of the stupidity at bay for a little while.

But the bad homeowners eventually got to me, and I just couldn't put up with it anymore.

It's up to you to decide if I am a good person or not. But I did get involved in politics, to at least some degree, for a little while.

[#] Tue Oct 22 2013 21:30:21 EDT from vince-q @ Cascade Lodge BBS

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Tue Oct 22 2013 18:15:38 PDT from fleeb @ Uncensored

I got involved in politics for a few years, although only at the condominium board level.

I got involved because I wanted to help. I don't know if I actually did help, but I had good intentions, and I like to believe I at least kept some of the stupidity at bay for a little while.

But the bad homeowners eventually got to me, and I just couldn't put up with it anymore.

It's up to you to decide if I am a good person or not. But I did get involved in politics, to at least some degree, for a little while.

You being a good person is an issue never in doubt as far as I am concerned.

Getting involved in the politics game is never without its downside, but in almost every circumstance is a Good Thing, particularly if you are Good People.

There are not enough Good People in politics, particularly these days. Jump back in - we need more folk like you.



[#] Tue Oct 22 2013 23:52:15 EDT from ax25 @ Uncensored

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Tue Oct 22 2013 09:30:21 PM EDT from vince-q @ Cascade Lodge BBS

You being a good person is an issue never in doubt as far as I am concerned.

Getting involved in the politics game is never without its downside, but in almost every circumstance is a Good Thing, particularly if you are Good People.

There are not enough Good People in politics, particularly these days. Jump back in - we need more folk like you.



I agree as well.  I think even allowing people who have learned along the way to become "Good People" should not be excluded, but I think it would not be possible for them to enter politics due to mud slinging that invariably ensues during a campaign.



[#] Wed Oct 23 2013 00:55:55 EDT from DemonStalker @ Dog Pound BBS II

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Mud slinging is - contrary to what many may think - neither something "new" to American politics, nor is today's mud slinging anywhere *near* the most vitriolic.

Go look at some of the pre-Civil-War presidential campaigns - and I don't mean the 1850s. Go look at the first six campaigns after "W" left office (the first "W" - George Washington).

Their were even duels - with pistols - resulting in dead people.

And then there was America's Favorite Perennial Candidate Who Never Won - William Jennings Bryan himself. From the "Cross of Gold" to the Scopes Monkey Trial, quite possibly one of *the* most colorful of all US politicians. One of the few about whom it genuinely can be said that he was a "legend in his own time."

By those standards, the backbiting and petty nonsense of today's political arena is but a shadow, and an amateurish imitation.

[#] Wed Oct 23 2013 19:27:34 EDT from Sig @ Uncensored

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I was present once at an evening class at our church where it was openly
questioned whether Christian universities should even have law programs,
given the inherent moral decrepitude of that field of study.

I couldn't believe that people were seriously discussing that--as though
entirely abandoning the field of law to "the ungodly" would have a
positive result. Where do lawMAKERs come from? Frequently, the field
of law.

Law is much the same as politics and warfare. The people who do it
badly may get the press, but it is rather urgent that good people engage
and do the best they can to raise the bar.

[#] Wed Oct 23 2013 23:59:57 EDT from ax25 @ Uncensored

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Good points DemonStalker.  If I only had the guts, or the public speaking skills, I would consider it :-)



[#] Thu Oct 24 2013 04:02:10 EDT from vince-q @ Cascade Lodge BBS

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Oct 23 2013 8:59pm from ax25 @uncnsrd (Uncensored) in Politics & Propaganda>

Good points DemonStalker.  If I only had the guts, or the public
speaking skills, I would consider it :-)


You do not need public speaking skills to be successful at politics and to contribute meaningful work to the Body Politic.

You need integrity and courage.

The rest will follow automatically.

[#] Thu Oct 24 2013 14:53:06 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

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Then why are those with integrity and courage constantly being shoved aside by douchebags and bullies?

[#] Thu Oct 24 2013 16:22:17 EDT from vince-q @ Cascade Lodge BBS

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Thu Oct 24 2013 11:53:06 PDT from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored
Then why are those with integrity and courage constantly being shoved aside by douchebags and bullies?

The answer is rather obvious.

It is because "those with integrity and courage" are, especially in the sample-space known in the vernacular as the "polital arena" vastly outnumbered by the segment of the population best described as assholes.

While I am sure that the reason is that Good People simply choose to not besmirch themselves by associating with assholes, I still wish it would be otherwise. The only way to change this absolutely unacceptable status quo is to have a lot of Good People jump into the political arena - to the point where the Good People vastly outnumber the assholes.

This labels me as what most would call a "hopeless optimist."

I rather like to think of it as one of my typically Leibowitzian "wir marschieren weiter wenn alles in scherben faellt" quirks.



[#] Thu Oct 24 2013 22:51:53 EDT from fleeb @ Uncensored

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If I imagine condominium politics to relate to federal politics, there are a few homeowners who want to make a mark in the community, so they can say that they did such-and-so for the community. Whether or not it is good for the community is irrelevant.

There are other people who want to alter the rules or influence the board to do things that would provide them a benefit, regardless of whether it's actually in the best interest of the community.

And there are some people who are attracted to power, and want that power for themselves. They don't really care about the community, either, and lack the moral compass to gain their position nicely. Many of these people are actually sociopaths, but quite charming despite their complete disregard for others (because they have learned how to manipulate people with that charm).

As for decent people who ever get into this, it wears on you. It isn't something you can maintain for too long before you just plain wear out. As such, when you see a politician who has been at it for over 10 years, you are probably looking at someone who is not a nice person.
Not necessarily because the politics turned the person this way, but because he didn't wear down, so he is likely one of the bad people.

[#] Thu Oct 24 2013 23:37:25 EDT from vince-q @ Cascade Lodge BBS

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Not necessarily because the politics turned the person this way, but

because he didn't wear down, so he is likely one of the bad people.



I beg to disagree. It is not necessarily "likely" that such a person is one of the bad people.

It could very well be that the person simply enjoys the "rough and tumble" give and take of real-life politics. Such people are the ones who were very good in formal debate in high school and college, and perhaps beyond. Many such folk go on to be attorneys - and in the civil arena end up being trial lawyers, and very good at their craft.

And some end up in politics. As long as they keep their moral compass in good running order such folks end up doing worlds of good while ascending the political "ladder." Abraham Lincoln comes to mind; as does Harry Truman and Ronald Reagan.

Unfortunately, today's
crop of political "leaders" does little, if anything, to either inspire or impress me.

[#] Fri Oct 25 2013 00:04:21 EDT from ax25 @ Uncensored

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Thu Oct 24 2013 11:37:25 PM EDT from vince-q @ Cascade Lodge BBS
Not necessarily because the politics turned the person this way, but

because he didn't wear down, so he is likely one of the bad people.



I beg to disagree. It is not necessarily "likely" that such a person is one of the bad people.

It could very well be that the person simply enjoys the "rough and tumble" give and take of real-life politics. Such people are the ones who were very good in formal debate in high school and college, and perhaps beyond. Many such folk go on to be attorneys - and in the civil arena end up being trial lawyers, and very good at their craft.

And some end up in politics. As long as they keep their moral compass in good running order such folks end up doing worlds of good while ascending the political "ladder." Abraham Lincoln comes to mind; as does Harry Truman and Ronald Reagan.

Unfortunately, today's
crop of political "leaders" does little, if anything, to either inspire or impress me.

Unfortunately, it takes a body of work to figure out if they are the former or the later sort of person, unless you know them well, or know someone who knows them (and you yourself have well formed friend groups)...

Politics are best handled on a local level (Libertarian at heart).  I still think Ross Perot had a good idea of taking the decisions and advancing them to the (at the time 20th century) level of technology, and letting the populace vote on larger issues.  We were not ignorant farmers anymore.  We might be more like them now, but we were not as much back then I think.



[#] Fri Oct 25 2013 08:13:26 EDT from fleeb @ Uncensored

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Well, for that idea to work, you have to have journalism that isn't required to be infotainment. It has to actually inform, not entertain. And it can't be from one source, but from several sources, since each source will have its own bias.

We don't have that anymore. And we're the worse for it.

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