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[#] Mon Sep 30 2013 19:42:30 EDT from vince-q @ Cascade Lodge BBS

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LHO, where are you now that we need you?

[#] Mon Sep 30 2013 21:10:18 EDT from LoanShark @ Uncensored

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When their cars are covered in shit, they start to clear the forest.


You mean clear-cut, right? :-P Just so we're on the same page...

Well said, by the way.

[#] Mon Sep 30 2013 23:58:49 EDT from ax25 @ Uncensored

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Mon Sep 30 2013 09:10:18 PM EDT from LoanShark @ Uncensored
When their cars are covered in shit, they start to clear the forest.


You mean clear-cut, right? :-P Just so we're on the same page...

Well said, by the way.

Love the exchanges that go on here.  Hope nobody gets to bent out of shape, but you have to admit that is well done humor.



[#] Tue Oct 01 2013 09:31:02 EDT from fleeb @ Uncensored

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Yes, clear-cut is exactly what I meant. But given the style of writing I used just then, I couldn't really write that and have the whole thing flow correctly.

Thanks for the compliment. I kinda fell into a poetic moment when I saw 'wacko-birds'.

I really did record these birds outside my window. I should put it up on my web site so you can listen to it. It's twenty minutes, which might be kind of dull, but it's kind of funny. It starts off small, but grows to a ridiculous din of noise before I stopped recording. I should have recorded the whole thing tapering off, but I was getting kind of cold.

[#] Wed Oct 02 2013 00:15:45 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

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The same type of thing was going on over here a couple of weeks ago. A simply massive twitter. I broke it up with a loud blast on a vuvuzela. Evidently the birds didn't want to play soccer.

Nice to see the government shutting down, by the way. I was sure the RINO's were going to cave in, but they actually stuck to conservative principles for a change. Maybe, just maybe, Ted Cruz got his point across after all.

[#] Wed Oct 02 2013 00:23:51 EDT from vince-q @ Cascade Lodge BBS

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Wasn't Ted Cruz at all. It was the new Rule One.

"Don't piss off the bikers!"

[#] Wed Oct 02 2013 07:30:30 EDT from dothebart @ Uncensored

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Wed Oct 02 2013 00:15:45 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored
The same type of thing was going on over here a couple of weeks ago. A simply massive twitter. I broke it up with a loud blast on a vuvuzela. Evidently the birds didn't want to play soccer.

from a time before vuvuzelas were associated with soccer: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fe-6g3OcZlI

(german, but such a slapstick nonsense, you'll get it without understanding whats spoken)



[#] Wed Oct 02 2013 07:32:12 EDT from dothebart @ Uncensored

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Wed Oct 02 2013 07:30:30 EDT from dothebart @ Uncensored
Wed Oct 02 2013 00:15:45 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored
The same type of thing was going on over here a couple of weeks ago. A simply massive twitter. I broke it up with a loud blast on a vuvuzela. Evidently the birds didn't want to play soccer.

from a time before vuvuzelas were associated with soccer: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fe-6g3OcZlI

(german, but such a slapstick nonsense, you'll get it without understanding whats spoken)

oh, only half the fun; this is the full thing: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fhkRM1Pa1HA



[#] Wed Oct 02 2013 08:14:04 EDT from zooer @ Uncensored

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My father purchased me one and I would bring it to the hockey games.

The people with their air horns annoyed people more.

[#] Wed Oct 02 2013 10:14:02 EDT from fleeb @ Uncensored

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I'm actually somewhat impressed that Obama signed something to allow our folks in uniform to continue to get paid while this is happening. It'd really suck to get stuck out in a foreign country per duty, only to find yourself stranded there.

[#] Wed Oct 02 2013 10:55:43 EDT from Sig @ Uncensored

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Oct 2 2013 10:14am from fleeb @uncnsrd

I'm actually somewhat impressed that Obama signed something to allow

our folks in uniform to continue to get paid while this is happening.

It'd really suck to get stuck out in a foreign country per duty, only

to find yourself stranded there.

Well, in fairness, they're still stranded there, but at least they're getting paid. In terms of federal spending as a whole, military salaries aren't actually THAT much and there's really no positive messaging you can put out to counter the "hanging our beloved troops out to dry" narrative that would ensue.

Veterans are a much easier demographic to go after, but while we're still in uniform, we will always get lip service support and generally get paychecks.

[#] Wed Oct 02 2013 11:29:22 EDT from vince-q @ Cascade Lodge BBS

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I am a viciously extreme conservative. Some might say that I take it to the point of absurdity. Be that as it may, on some points I actually might seem (to my conservative friends) to be a tad liberal.

1. I firmly believe that we, as a nation and as a civilization, owe our Military Veterans a "free life" when they return from service. Free medical care is only the beginning. How about FREE COLLEGE. How about ZERO interest home loans - yes, the VA Mortgage program is generous, but not good enough. I'd also include a "one month a year payment holiday" in that, and have that "payment holiday" COUNT toward the amortization of the loan with the federal government kicking in the money for that month.

Our military personnel, at home and overseas, active duty and veterans, are among our most precious assets.

We do not do enough for them.
It may not even be *possible* to do enough for them.
How do we thank them for what they do, and for what they have too many times already done? For us here at home?

"Greater love hath no man than this, that a man may lay down his life for his friends."

And what do *we* do for *them* in return?

NOT NEARLY ENOUGH.

[#] Wed Oct 02 2013 11:50:10 EDT from Sig @ Uncensored

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I don't want a "free life." I don't think that's a moral thing to wish on anyone. But it would be nice if we could honor our existing commitments, and if the cost of "free" veteran health care didn't keep going up. I know a few people who depend
on their VA benefits to pay the bills; they are a tad concerned at the moment, as these were not exempt from the furlough.

[#] Wed Oct 02 2013 14:12:53 EDT from vince-q @ Cascade Lodge BBS

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Veterans, by virtue of Service, agree with the People of the United States to serve, "even unto death" and for that, Veterans deserve EVERYTHING that can be done for them in return.

This is not, in any way, an immoral sentiment. This is not in any way demeaning or any such thing thereto related.

I say this with the full moral Teaching Authority as a consecrated Bishop in the One, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic Church.

This is the very LEAST that we can do.

[#] Wed Oct 02 2013 14:45:17 EDT from Sig @ Uncensored

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Oct 2 2013 2:12pm from vince-q @cascade (Cascade Lodge BBS) in Politica>

Veterans, by virtue of Service, agree with the People of the United

States to serve, "even unto death" and for that, Veterans deserve
EVERYTHING that can be done for them in return.

This is not, in any way, an immoral sentiment. This is not in any way

demeaning or any such thing thereto related.

OK, you've got to be trolling me now. Military service in and of itself does not bestow any angelic qualities on the servants in question, nor does two years of generally not terribly arduous service somehow entitle people to be taken care of for life. Veterans are mostly just like other people: some are good, some are bad. Should some consideration be due? Sure. But you're talking gibberish.

I wouldn't wish a completely free ride in life on a veteran any more than I'd wish a free ride to anyone. It wouldn't do them any good, wouldn't likely make them happy, and would almost certainly decay them morally. We call children spoiled who are given everything; why would we inflict that on adults, especially as thanks for something they have done?


I don't really recognize the moral teaching authority of your church, particularly when you are spouting nonsense. I don't think you are doing it much credit.

[#] Wed Oct 02 2013 14:51:56 EDT from LoanShark @ Uncensored

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I don't have to agree with everything a person says to recognize when somebody is just exaggerating for emphasis.

[#] Wed Oct 02 2013 15:01:07 EDT from fleeb @ Uncensored

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Hrm.

For those who don't already know, I served five years in the Army.

I don't think I'd go as far as vince-q unless the serviceman experienced combat. Then, yeah, I think you deserve quite a bit.

We have a lot of servicemen who just have desk jobs. Sure, they are at more of a risk than anyone else of having to experience combat. But otherwise, it's just a desk job. And some people (say, politicians) like to maneuver their children into those kinds of positions so they won't see any harm. I wouldn't want to see such a valuable thing go to people protected by cronyism.

And, no, I didn't experience combat. The closest I came to a combat situation was to sit in a secret meeting (as a military journalist, oddly) as some soldiers were told they were heading out to Nicaraugua to help train another military force on how to fight like us. Which is to say, not that close.

Otherwise, I covered stories of what was happening at Ft. Stewart, Ga, and I played euphonium for parades and concert band.

But, in reality, I don't think we even meet the minimum expectations for our troops. I wish we would even do that. But, I guess when we're constantly sending them into harm's way, people like me become the exception in the military rather than the norm.

[#] Wed Oct 02 2013 17:08:41 EDT from vince-q @ Cascade Lodge BBS

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It does not matter if an active duty servicman is "in a combat situation" or not.

That person is under a sworn oath that, basically, means that they are subject to orders, at any time, to be in any place and, yes, to be put in iminent danger of life/limb. Period. You accept the *risk* and for that are deserving of the *reward*.

No less so than buying an option through your "friendly" stockbroker.

[#] Wed Oct 02 2013 17:19:42 EDT from LoanShark @ Uncensored

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Writing an option if you want to get technical. I agree with about three quarters of the points being raised here... servicemen deserve a whole hell of a lot (stopping just short of meeting all their needs without requiring them to ever work again.)

The PTSD nightmares that some of them suffer from... the chemical side-effects from service in Iraq I...

[#] Wed Oct 02 2013 18:54:36 EDT from Sig @ Uncensored

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If you're looking for argument about reforming the VA, you won't find it here. Absolutely criminal how long it takes to get in the system.

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