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[#] Sun Sep 22 2013 09:19:07 EDT from vince-q @ Uncensored

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(The Assad regime is an
ostensibly-socialist dictatorship.) So Cold War II I guess. If all goes

well, after all is said and done, the least-worst guys end up in charge

(FSA seems to be less worse than ISIS/Al-Nusra.)



Naturally this tempts me to raise the question "Was the world safer during the Cold War than today?"

And I've thought, for the past 15 or so years, the answer to that is an indisputable "yes."

1. the issues were relatively clear and well-defined, and understood by both sides.

2. the concept of MAD kept the world protected from a self-inflicted extinction level event. Other than the ever (and still) present possibility of accidental launch, neither side was ever seriously considering nuclear war as a viable alternative to diplomacy (or proxy/conventional conflict).

3. the "enemy" was clearly defined for both sides. For "them" it was the United States and NATO. For "us" it was the Sino-Soviet "axis" (of 'evil'?) and their satellite states (the Warsaw Pact nations of eastern Europe).

Naturally this all unravelled with what, at the time, felt like victory for the West. The Wall came down; Viedervereinigung (re-unification) was finally realized for a long- and wrongly-divided German nation; most of the Warsaw Pact ended up in NATO even to the point of seriously considering getting Russia to join, and everyone seemed on the edge of a New Beginning for real Peace in Our Time.

Then came the stirrings of Islamo-extremist inspired terrorism in the early 1990s.

And then came 9-11.

And here we are today.

So to steal (and somewhat modify) a phrase from US Presidential politics:

Are you better off today than you were 30 years ago? [in the context of international stability and the liklihood of WMDs being used and directly threatening *you* and *your* locale]

I wish I could honesly say 'yes.'

The truth, at least for me, lies very much on the 'no' end of the yes/no spectrum...

And that is a tragedy.

[#] Sun Sep 22 2013 11:16:55 EDT from zooer @ Uncensored

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Other than the ever (and still) present
possibility of accidental launch,


Both sides came close to launching for one reason or another. There has been a few accidents, there has probably
been a lot more accidents but neither government is talking about them.

[#] Sun Sep 22 2013 13:03:22 EDT from LoanShark @ Uncensored

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Naturally this tempts me to raise the question "Was the world safer
during the Cold War than today?"

And I've thought, for the past 15 or so years, the answer to that is

an indisputable "yes."

There's a lot of truth to this. It would not be unfair to say that with the fall of the Soviet Union the new worry is terrorists getting access to a nuclear suitcase.

Then again, the cold war era brought us Vietnam.

[#] Sun Sep 22 2013 14:54:03 EDT from dothebart @ Uncensored

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germany has a new Adenauer (sort of)

the Merkel-party got the absolute majority - and can govern on its own.

We haven't had this since the 1950'ies.



[#] Sun Sep 22 2013 20:13:28 EDT from vince-q @ Cascade Lodge BBS

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There's a lot of truth to this. It would not be unfair to say that
with the fall of the Soviet Union the new worry is terrorists getting

access to a nuclear suitcase.


During the Cold War each side knew, precisely, who "the enemy" was. There was a *person* with whom to talk.

Today, how do you "dial up" the terrorists? Who's on the other end of the 'hotline'... And just who is the one that can "turn it off"...

That's the problem with this "decentralized opponent" we call "the terrorists" against "whom" this "war on terrorism" is being waged.

You can theorize or speculate or "shoot the shit in the dorm room" all you want but there simply is no one person, no one country, with whom to negotiate, at which to toss bombs, etc.

As IG pointed out a few comments back, we lost that ability when we (the US) essentially "turned pussy" after 9-11.

And IG had it right on the proverbial nose. What we should have done is pick any city among the several Islamic nations of the Middle East - at random and in secret - and then arrange it so, one morning, "they" would wake up to find that city magically transformed into a sea of glass.

What I would *love* to tell Iran:

"Oh, so you want nuclear weapons? Ok. Fine. We're sending you some. In about 30 minutes. They will arrive in Tehran - about 30 megatons worth - at about 40,000 ft. Why don't you go outside and watch the pretty light show!"

[#] Sun Sep 22 2013 22:35:16 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

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Actually, there is a well defined enemy; we just refuse to admit it. During the first Cold War the enemy was communism; during this one it is islam. Not "radical islam" and not "al qaeda" ... the enemy is islam itself (and that's not a grammatical error; I refuse to give it the dignity of a capital letter).

They declared war on us a long time ago, but the self-loathing intellectuals in media and academia refuse to admit it, and now we're actively arming and funding the enemy while they continue to blow up the world.

We even put one of them in the White House. This whole Westgate Mall thing is going to be awfully confusing. I'm not accustomed to the phrase "kenyan muslim" used to refer to anyone other than obama.

No proxy wars, no boots on the ground, no nothing. Abroad, we need to nuke mecca. At home, we should bring back McCarthyism. islam is every bit the threat communism was (and still is) but far more dangerous now that it's been added to the Frankfurt School mix of politics we have now.

[#] Sun Sep 22 2013 22:55:52 EDT from vince-q @ Cascade Lodge BBS

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Sun Sep 22 2013 19:35:16 PDT from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored
Actually, there is a well defined enemy; we just refuse to admit it. During the first Cold War the enemy was communism; during this one it is islam. Not "radical islam" and not "al qaeda" ... the enemy is islam itself (and that's not a grammatical error; I refuse to give it the dignity of a capital letter).

They declared war on us a long time ago, but the self-loathing intellectuals in media and academia refuse to admit it, and now we're actively arming and funding the enemy while they continue to blow up the world.

We even put one of them in the White House. This whole Westgate Mall thing is going to be awfully confusing. I'm not accustomed to the phrase "kenyan muslim" used to refer to anyone other than obama.

No proxy wars, no boots on the ground, no nothing. Abroad, we need to nuke mecca. At home, we should bring back McCarthyism. islam is every bit the threat communism was (and still is) but far more dangerous now that it's been added to the Frankfurt School mix of politics we have now.

Ah yes.

Let Us make a Crusade.

[What would that be, the Seventh? Eighth? The count of them has lost me, or me it...]

In Hoc Signo Vinces!

Or maybe

Vexilla Regis Prodeunt (or if you're Dante, Prodeunt Ignis!).

Yes. A Crusade. That's it.



[#] Mon Sep 23 2013 10:35:53 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

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The original Crusades got a bad rap. The public schools and other atheists like to paint the Crusades as "Look! Evil Christians!" but in reality the Crusades were a *response* to muslim aggression.

[#] Mon Sep 23 2013 11:59:20 EDT from vince-q @ Cascade Lodge BBS

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Mon Sep 23 2013 07:35:53 PDT from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored
The original Crusades got a bad rap. The public schools and other atheists like to paint the Crusades as "Look! Evil Christians!" but in reality the Crusades were a *response* to muslim aggression.

This is quite possibly true of the first three Crusades.

However, the Fourth Crusade and its unforgivable sack looting and virtual destruction of Constantinople (today Instanbul), a completely Christian metropolis, including the desecration of Hagia Sophia (the cathedral) stands on its own as reason for condemning all that followed.

This was, to be clear and certain, absolutely not the result of "Muslim aggression." It was wanton, without reason in the least, and primarily motivated by Christian in-fighting dating to the beginning of the Great Schism between Rome and Eastern Orthodoxy over Rome's insistance on bringing a new (and incorrect) interpretation of the Nicene Creed to the (then) Universal (catholic) Church.

The original text of the portion of the Nicene Creed:

"And I believe in the Holy Spirit, the Lord and Giver of life, who proceeds from the Father, who with the Father and the Son is worshiped and glorified, who spoke by the prophets."

The text promulgated by Rome:

"And I believe in the Holy Spirit, the Lord and Giver of life, who proceeds from the Father and the Son, who with the Father and the Son is worshiped and glorified, who spoke by the prophets."

The difference? That one phrase "proceeds from the Father and the Son." Rome chose to add "and the Son" ("Filioque") to the Nicene Creed.

A big deal? Yes. Why? Because Catholic Canon Law is quite clear in stating "that which is proclaimed in Council can only be changed by Council."

Yes. The proclamations of a truly Ecumenical Council can not be changed by the Pope - any Pope.

Taking into account all of Catholic Christendom (which extends surprisingly beyond the Roman Catholic Church - which all too many - even nonCatholics - erroneously believe to be "the" Catholic Church) there have been only seven (7) Ecumenical Councils, the last of which was the Second Council of Nicea in AD 787.

Thus, the "filioque" clause added to the Nicene Creed by Papal edict was and remains canonically illegal, invalid and of no theological requirement of Faith to a Catholic of any "flavor."

Does this mean that a Catholic is "not allowed" to believe in the "filioque" modification? No. There are many beliefs that run through Catholic Christianity that are considered "pious beliefs" which inspire Catholic Christians toward holiness and are "tolerated" by the Church. Things like Novenas, praying the Rosary, attendance at Benediction of the Blessed Sacrament - the list goes on. Good things. Holy things. Reverent things. But not required things in order to be saved in accordance with Church teachings and Canon Law.

End of Lesson!

--Vince Quaresima, Catholic Province of Our Lady of the Angels, Archbishop.

 



[#] Mon Sep 23 2013 12:57:00 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

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I was going to launch into my usual schpiel about how Christianity != the Roman Catholic Church ...

... but because of the way you opened that argument I'm going to put on some They Might Be Giants instead.

[#] Mon Sep 23 2013 17:29:21 EDT from zooer @ Uncensored

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Can I suggest They Might Be Giants singing "Tubthumping"?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yf0Amcgxot8

[#] Mon Sep 23 2013 23:20:29 EDT from ax25 @ Uncensored

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Nah, Stump: Charlton Heston

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yWa3ouFWwJs



[#] Tue Sep 24 2013 10:56:45 EDT from zooer @ Uncensored

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I was being cereal, amd on topic.

[#] Wed Sep 25 2013 06:13:54 EDT from vince-q @ Cascade Lodge BBS

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A man died and went to heaven. As he stood in front of St. Peter at the Pearly Gates, he saw a huge wall of clocks behind him.

 He asked, “What are all those clocks?”

 St. Peter answered, “Those are Lie-Clocks. Everyone on Earth has a Lie-Clock. Every time you lie the hands on your clock will move.”

 “Oh,” said the man, “whose clock is that?”

 “That’s Mother Teresa’s. The hands have never moved, indicating that she never told a lie.”

 “Incredible,” said the man.

 “That’s Abraham Lincoln’s clock. The hands have moved twice, telling us that Abe told only two lies in his entire life,” St. Peter informed him.

 “Where’s Obama’s clock?”

 “His clock is in Jesus’s office. He’s using it as a ceiling fan.”



[#] Thu Sep 26 2013 00:54:35 EDT from ax25 @ Uncensored

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Tue Sep 24 2013 10:56:45 AM EDT from zooer @ Uncensored
I was being cereal, amd on topic.

Ah, I see it now.  Sorry.



[#] Mon Sep 30 2013 17:09:06 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

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Why is the TV news even bothering to cover Barack McHitler Obama's press conference? Pretty much anyone could summarize the lies he's going to tell:

1. Government shutdown would be bad (truth: it isn't)

2. It's all the GOP's fault (truth: it isn't)

3. This is all about OsamaCare, which America loves and wants (truth: it was forced down our throats and no one wants it)


Someone please stab that asshole in the face with a Buick.

[#] Mon Sep 30 2013 17:14:33 EDT from LoanShark @ Uncensored

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If a wacko-bird flies into a tree, does the tree make a sound?

[#] Mon Sep 30 2013 17:18:36 EDT from LoanShark @ Uncensored

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s/flies/crashes/

[#] Mon Sep 30 2013 18:05:28 EDT from zooer @ Uncensored

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Don't worry aboot it, you have a hoose to sell.

[#] Mon Sep 30 2013 19:02:48 EDT from fleeb @ Uncensored

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I'm listening to a lot of wacko-birds right now.

It's about 1900 hrs. The light of the day is fading. And the birds in the forest outside my condo window are starting to make a commotion, as they do about this time in the fall all the time.

And they'll do it again in the morning, around 0645 hrs, as the sun starts to appear.

I recorded that. Because it's rather impressive, the number of birds required to make all this noise.

Yet, the government never goes into the forest to see what's going on. They keep their windows closed, and have little idea of what happens around them.
When their cars are covered in shit, they start to clear the forest.

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