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[#] Sun Aug 11 2013 19:02:39 EDT from LoanShark @ Uncensored

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RELIGIOUS CONSERVATIVES: all right, you primitive screwheads, listen up!

Bashing the "I fucking love science" meme is so 2012.

You may now proceed to bash the "I fucking hate pseudoscience" meme.

That is all.

[#] Sun Aug 11 2013 19:13:04 EDT from zooer @ Uncensored

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I found this today and thought of my bestest uncensored buddy.
http://wellinformedcitizens.blogspot.com/2013/08/5-misunderstood-truths-about-ayn-rand.html


A quote I saved about Atlas Shrugged:
I actually think that Atlas Shrugged and the Communist Manifesto are the same book with alternate endings. Rand
and Marx both seem to think capitalists are soulless monsters who would do anything to make a buck. She just
sees that as a good thing.
-Some Guy (at Reason.com)

[#] Sun Aug 11 2013 19:18:57 EDT from LoanShark @ Uncensored

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"It.s trendy to dislike her, and anti-capitalists revel in quoting her out of context; maiming her message of non-violence."

Perhaps because her message was not primarily about non-violence. That was a small part of it, yes, when she eventually got around to talking about ethics she would acknowledge a non-initiation-of-force principle.

But primarily, secondarily, and tertially, her message was: (1) I Am Architect Sex-Offender And Hear Me Roar, (2) Fuck You Guys, and (3) Blowing Up Buildings That Don't Adhere To My Artistic Vision Is Kinda Cool.

Well, I too am a fan of Einsturzende Neubauten, so I dig that.

[#] Mon Aug 12 2013 07:38:57 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

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So what you're saying is that Howard Roark is supposed to be Rand herself, and the buildings are a metaphor for *everything* ?

[#] Mon Aug 12 2013 10:21:34 EDT from the_mgt @ Uncensored

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dothebart: but but but thinking that an economy can not grow on forever is... hippie nonsense!

WRT Nietzsche and Rand: Old Fritz' approach to economy was simply reinstating slavery, that's all. He didn't care much for the problem of the workers or Marx or anything like that. Probably because he never had a prolonged relation with anyone who wasn't part of an academic, artistic, aristocratic, economical, religious and/or military elite. Although he and his friends were sometimes short on money, he would always find people to lend from. Funny sidenote: The Villa Silberblick - where the first Nietzsche archive was situated, where he spent the rest of his life after his mind went above the northwind, where Hitler visited and got Nietzsches walking cane as a present from Elizabeth sister - was heavily founded by a swedish jew.

Rand simply sounds like the harsher parts of Nietzsche or Stirner because she has the same sense of mission as all people who claim that their understanding of reality is the only True and objective one. Like the church, the evolutionists or any other ideologist.



[#] Mon Aug 12 2013 13:46:34 EDT from LoanShark @ Uncensored

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So what you're saying is that Howard Roark is supposed to be Rand
herself, and the buildings are a metaphor for *everything* ?

Close enough. :-)

[#] Mon Aug 12 2013 13:48:54 EDT from LoanShark @ Uncensored

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Rand simply sounds like the harsher parts of Nietzsche or Stirner
because she has the same sense of mission as all people who claim
that their understanding of reality is the only True and objective
one. Like the church, the evolutionists or any other ideologist.

Stamp out all -isms!

[#] Mon Aug 12 2013 13:53:32 EDT from LoanShark @ Uncensored

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Aug 12 2013 10:21am from the_mgt @uncnsrd
dothebart: but but but thinking that an economy can not grow on
forever is... hippie nonsense!

Even libertarians don't always believe this. Classical theory says: population growth --> larger labor pool --> opportunities for efficiency / division of labor --> everyone is richer and has more stuff.

I will not name names, but I spoke with a libertarian, active within the party, who is a PhD ec student at GMU (a bit of a hotbed of Austrian or pragmatic-Austrian-monetarist thinking, GMU is); I would claim the above to be a fair description of his views...

[#] Mon Aug 12 2013 14:36:51 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

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I'm gonna take the response for that to the economics room.

[#] Sun Aug 18 2013 20:36:59 EDT from LoanShark @ Uncensored

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ONE FROM THE VAULTS: [I thought this was funny]

[Eugene Volokh, 9/5/2003 07:53:05 AM]
JEWS FOR JESUS: I was recently reminded of something that has always a bit annoyed me -- the assertion by some of my Jewish friends that "Jews for Jesus" is somehow an oxymoron. The claim isn't just that Jews for Jesus are misguided or otherwise
deserving of criticism; rather, it's that one can't logically or theologically be a Jew and a Christian at the same time, much like one can't be, say, a "Christian for atheism" or (though this might conceivably be a tougher theological question) a
"Christian for Krishna."

derstand it, this claim is theologically unsound from Judaism's own perspective. Any person whose mother is Jewish (or, I take it, who validly converted to Judaism) is a Jew, no matter what he believes. Irreligious Jews are still Jews, albeit
perhaps bad Jews, if they disobey
the Law. Jews who follow a false messiah -- which, I take it, is what a convert to Christianity would be, from the perspective of a devout Jew -- are likewise still Jews.

[#] Mon Aug 19 2013 06:48:55 EDT from triLcat @ Uncensored

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According to Judaism, if you believe in Jesus, you're a Christian, and yes, you can leave the religion, and once you do, you have to undergo a 'conversion' process to be accepted once more.

A lot of Jews don't know that - they think it's birth and you can't quit. It's not quite true.

Believing nothing/atheism/agnosticism is not considered leaving the religion, though.

Accepting Muhammed or Jesus is.



[#] Mon Aug 19 2013 09:28:45 EDT from LoanShark @ Uncensored

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thanks for clearing that up! I guess Volokh doesn't get to keep his "pet peeve" after all.

[#] Mon Aug 19 2013 11:33:33 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

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Hmm, I can't seem to find any mention of "Jesus is not the Messiah" in my Torah. Can you help me find it?

[#] Mon Aug 19 2013 12:10:18 EDT from vince-q @ Uncensored

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Mon Aug 19 2013 11:33:33 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

Hmm, I can't seem to find any mention of "Jesus is not the Messiah" in my Torah. Can you help me find it?

You'll probably find lots of "Jesus is not the Messiah" scattered throughout the seemingly-endless writings known as the Talmud. Seems that Orthodox Judaism mistakenly considers most of the Talmud to be as Divinely Inspired as the Tanach or even the Torah.

And don't get me started on my absolutely favorite piece of Judaica... The Zohar!!! Now *there* is a marvel to behold!



[#] Mon Aug 19 2013 12:21:36 EDT from Freakdog @ Dog Pound BBS II

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Mon Aug 19 2013 11:33:33 AM EDT from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

Hmm, I can't seem to find any mention of "Jesus is not the Messiah" in my Torah. Can you help me find it?

Unless you can read the Hebrew, without the vowels, I'm doubting you'll find anything intelligible in your Torah.



[#] Mon Aug 19 2013 13:40:12 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

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Unless you can read the Hebrew, without the vowels, I'm doubting
you'll find anything intelligible in your Torah.

To truly appreciate the Torah you have to read it in the original Klingon.

[#] Mon Aug 19 2013 13:39:50 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

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Judaica... The Zohar!!! Now *there* is a marvel to behold!

The lone locust of the apocalypse?!?

[#] Mon Aug 19 2013 13:25:38 EDT from Freakdog @ Cascade Lodge BBS

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You'll probably find lots of "Jesus is not the Messiah" scattered
throughout the seemingly-endless writings known as the Talmud. Seems
that Orthodox Judaism mistakenly considers most of the Talmud to be
as Divinely Inspired as the Tanach or even the Torah.

Not divinely inspired...just interpreted by scholars better versed in Judaic studies than they.

[#] Tue Aug 20 2013 00:47:47 EDT from vince-q @ Cascade Lodge BBS

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To truly appreciate the Torah you have to read it in the original
Klingon.



There are actually places on the 'net where you can do that...

[#] Tue Aug 20 2013 10:33:00 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

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Well ... I don't care what they may say; Jesus is just alright with me :)

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