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[#] Tue Sep 16 2014 10:54:47 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

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I want to modify every wind and brass instrument to play in C, dammit.

[#] Tue Sep 16 2014 13:13:29 EDT from vince-q @ Cascade Lodge BBS

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Sep 16 2014 7:54am from IGnatius T Foobar @uncnsrd (Uncensored)
I want to modify every wind and brass instrument to play in C, dammit.




The major reason I've found for keeping the "transposing instruments" the way they are is to minimize leger lines in the parts and in the score.

This is certainly true for horns/woodwinds in Eb and F, less so for woodwinds and brass in Bb.

And then there is the "nonsense" of writing using the C-cleff for 'cello and some vocal parts. **That** is simply silly.

[#] Tue Sep 16 2014 13:15:40 EDT from vince-q @ Cascade Lodge BBS

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Interestingly enough, when composing I use an orchestral score and write all instruments to "sound as written."

Once I am all done (except for minor revisions) I then do a part-by-part transposition in the final ("for print") version of the score.

My 4th Symphony was a complete bitch in that respect!! <evil grin>

http://www.netk2ne.net/9-11/fourth-symphony.html
Go visit and have a listen.

[#] Tue Sep 16 2014 13:21:56 EDT from fleeb @ Uncensored

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I've had to play music written in the C-cleff for bassoon.

On a euphonium.

Which, as it turns out, wasn't as hard as one might think, if you know how to play for treble cleff on a euphonium, since the notes appear in the same place. You just have to wrap your head around the difference in keys.

Still... I would have been frustrated to play that on a bassoon.

Leger lines? If you play tuba, you live in the leger lines. They don't tend to get much by way of transpositions. I expect the same for piccolo.

[#] Tue Sep 16 2014 13:35:25 EDT from vince-q @ Cascade Lodge BBS

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Leger lines? If you play tuba, you live in the leger lines. They
don't tend to get much by way of transpositions. I expect the same for

piccolo.



That's why they invented 8va and 8sub. Add those, keep the note(s) in the staff, and depend on the player to know "1 octave up" (piccolo) or "1 octave down" (tuba, bass, etc.).

[#] Tue Sep 16 2014 13:50:11 EDT from fleeb @ Uncensored

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If only composers would use them.

[#] Tue Sep 16 2014 13:52:00 EDT from fleeb @ Uncensored

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There's also a notation (quite similar to the 8va/8sub notation) to indicate that the entire staff is an ocative higher or lower. Again, it'd be nice if composers used them with piccolos and tubas, but often they don't.

[#] Tue Sep 16 2014 14:09:02 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

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Leger lines? If you play tuba, you live in the leger lines. They don't tend to get much by way of transpositions. I expect the same for piccolo.

If you play piccolo (or as I do, flute) what you end up seeing is a metric crapton of music written in Bb or Eb with "8va" written all over it.

So if you've got a transposing instrument, you get to play in C, F, or G all the time.  If you've got a non-transposing instrument, you're playing in flat keys like Bb and Eb all the time.

God forbid you try to add in an instrument that's difficult to play in flat keys (guitar).



[#] Tue Sep 16 2014 14:44:10 EDT from vince-q @ Cascade Lodge BBS

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God forbid you try to add in an instrument that's difficult to play
in flat keys (guitar).


In my fourth symphony, the Second Part utilizes mandolins. Does that count? :-)

And my Third Symph uses acoustic guitar in one of the movements.

[#] Tue Sep 16 2014 15:02:59 EDT from fleeb @ Uncensored

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Heh... one guy wrote music for which the part I received for euphonium was in a theoretical key. I had to deal with double sharps and double flats.

If you want your music performed correctly, it's kind of nice to avoid theoretical keys.

[#] Thu Sep 18 2014 00:35:52 EDT from ax25 @ Uncensored

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Vince-q, I will pass the suggestions along to him.  The spit argument was all I could add, as I can't play a note.  I can play simple tunes by ear, but never learned how to play anything, and the current discussion goes way over my head :-)

 



[#] Wed Sep 24 2014 07:52:30 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

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Heh... one guy wrote music for which the part I received for euphonium

was in a theoretical key. I had to deal with double sharps and double

flats.

Play in C#####bbbbb#b#b###bbb

It's really easy.

[#] Wed Sep 24 2014 08:26:57 EDT from fleeb @ Uncensored

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C# or Cb alone is truly a messed up key in which to play, regardless of instrument.

[#] Wed Sep 24 2014 10:14:10 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

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True. However, C#####bbbbb#b#b###bbb is very easy to play, because it has no sharps or flats.

[#] Sun Sep 28 2014 13:52:58 EDT from Shazam @ Uncensored

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My two big boys are tone deaf. We realized it with Shlomo when he was preparing for his Bar Mitzvah, but he decided to memorize and work really really really hard, and in the end he read (sang) for his Bar Mitzvah beautifully. We realized it also with Akiva as he started preparing for his Bar Mitzvah, but he doesn't feel aany compelling need to work hard at this. I used to sing all the time, but the kids never join in, and I'm wondering if there is any way to make Akiva be less tone deaf, and I'm wondering if Yaakov will turn out tone deaf too and if there is anything I can do about it now, while he is little.
Adina has been teaching herself to play keyboard so it's probably unlikely that she is tone deaf. I mean, she loves a song and plays around till she figures out how to play parts of it.

[#] Mon Sep 29 2014 08:33:36 EDT from fleeb @ Uncensored

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Hmm...

If you have a keyboard, you might have them sit where they cannot see the keys, and play two notes. As if they are going up in pitch or down in pitch.
If they can't tell you, they're tone deaf.

Otherwise, they could simply not be practiced at singing.

[#] Mon Sep 29 2014 08:51:00 EDT from dothebart @ Uncensored

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..or make it gruntling heavy metal voices, thats working without singing either ;-)



[#] Mon Sep 29 2014 11:10:35 EDT from vince-q @ Cascade Lodge BBS

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You know the state of music has truly deteriorated when, now, we have a "style" called "grunge"....

[#] Mon Sep 29 2014 11:20:11 EDT from fleeb @ Uncensored

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Polka was the punk rock of its day, y'know.

[#] Mon Sep 29 2014 12:08:20 EDT from vince-q @ Cascade Lodge BBS

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Sep 29 2014 8:20am from fleeb @uncnsrd (Uncensored)

Polka was the punk rock of its day, y'know.



Heh - still is! ;)

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