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[#] Sun Jul 28 2013 06:50:51 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

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And as is usually the case with Ptx, the guys doing the "rhythm section" are so good, they're indistinguishable from instruments.  It's almost as if they should reduce the quality just a bit (or perhaps record it differently) so you know you're listening to vocals.



[#] Sun Jul 28 2013 19:31:32 EDT from vince-q @ Uncensored

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I waited until I returned home from a weekend trip to make sure I gave this a "fair shake" by putting it over to the living room and listening on the Real Sound System (no, you really don't want the 'rundown' of the hardware!).

1. the musicianship is as close to perfect as any recording I have ever heard. Period. There are absolutely NO shortcomings.

2. pitch control is absolutely dead-on precise, with absolutely no variance.

3. the arrangement is among the very best for this piece, and I've heard so many that I came to this *prepared* to be bored, and ended up hating that it came to an end.

In short, *amazing* is an understatement by several orders of magnitude.

I only dream that they could sing at my Midnight Mass this coming Christmas Eve!

[#] Tue Jul 30 2013 10:20:24 EDT from fleeb @ Uncensored

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The rhythm section was added on to the original three performers, forming Pentatonix. The beatboxer is also a very good cellist who has his own YouTube channel for some of the stuff he does. I know a little less about the bass, except to say that the leader of the original three knew him from previous gigs and asked him to join.

They make everything appear effortless. I don't believe the video and the singing were done at the same time, since I don't think you could mic them that well, but it's still damned impressive.
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I've listened to some of their other music, but this is clearly the best of the lot I've found on YouTube.

[#] Tue Jul 30 2013 10:56:24 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

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Clearly the video was lip synced, but other videos in their collection have performances which appear to be live, so I don't doubt their talent a bit.
Producing that kind of recording outdoors without any visible microphones is pretty much impossible. I hear a bit of EQ but beyond that the post-processing sounds minimal.

Vince, you used the phrase "my midnight mass" -- are you a music ministry leader as well?

[#] Tue Jul 30 2013 11:19:39 EDT from fleeb @ Uncensored

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I think, at 0:22 into the music, they added another male voice that you do not see in the video. I believe if you listen extremely carefully, you'll hear more voices than you can see performing. Again, still impressive, I'm not taking anything away from them, just appreciating the compositional effort really.

But there's no way they could perform this live and have it possess those harmonies without adding some more performers.

[#] Tue Jul 30 2013 13:44:14 EDT from vince-q @ Uncensored

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Tue Jul 30 2013 10:56:24 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored
Vince, you used the phrase "my midnight mass" -- are you a music ministry leader as well?

Nope, although I did spend just short of 8 years as organist and choir director at a high Episcopal parish in Philadelphia many years ago.

I did finally succeed at the game of "pissing off the priest" one year when I had the choir sing the Sanctus from Gounod's Saint Cecilia Mass. The selection is not what pissed him off. What did that was I had the choir (and an extraordinary tenor soloist) sing the text in the original Latin!

To really understand the "irritation factor" you also have to remember that (at least in the United States) Episcopalians like to think they are Protestant and hide the fact that they are, at the same time ***very*** Catholic. Just not *Roman* Catholic. When Henry VIII started the English Reformtion, **all** he did was tell his bishops and archbishops "from now on, I am the boss - forget that guy in Rome. Other than that, CHANGE NOTHING." Henry VIII left the English Mass in Latin (they used what we call the Sarum Rite which originated at the Salisbury Cathedral - it gradually evolved into what became the first English language mass in the Book of Common Prayer in 1549.

The Scottish are the ones that evolved the English mass into what the American Episcopal Church used up until 1976, most notably in the 1928 Prayer Book. Arguably the best example of English literature outside of Shakespeare.

The heritage is that of Archbishop Thomas Cranmer (spelling *is* correct!). Cranmer was later burned at the stake as a heretic during the reign of Queen Mary and the short return of Roman Catholicism to England. After Mary's death, Elizabeth I became Queen and, as they say, the rest is history.

For a recording of the Sanctus (Gounod, Saint Cecilia Mass) go here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YL1SMcaFopo&list=PL6877465E3F14AFCD&index=5

 



[#] Tue Jul 30 2013 16:08:59 EDT from fleeb @ Uncensored

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I've always preferred the original Latin for the masses that were written in that language. It just sounds better.



[#] Tue Jul 30 2013 18:49:23 EDT from zooer @ Uncensored

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That is my problem with the church, ever since they stopped using Latin the heathens have lowered the standards
and brought the religion down. What is next, gay priests?

[#] Tue Jul 30 2013 20:11:55 EDT from fleeb @ Uncensored

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Next? You obviously haven't been paying attention.

[#] Tue Jul 30 2013 21:36:38 EDT from vince-q @ Uncensored

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Tue Jul 30 2013 16:08:59 EDT from fleeb @ Uncensored

I've always preferred the original Latin for the masses that were written in that language. It just sounds better.


I will never argue with that !!!



[#] Tue Jul 30 2013 21:39:31 EDT from vince-q @ Uncensored

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Tue Jul 30 2013 18:49:23 EDT from zooer @ Uncensored
That is my problem with the church, ever since they stopped using Latin the heathens have lowered the standards
and brought the religion down. What is next, gay priests?

It has been the position of the Church (for as long as I've known about this issue) that homosexual *orientation* is not a sin. Homosexual *acts* are considered sin by the Church.

It is just one more example of that time-worn yet valid "hate the sin but love the sinner" thingee.



[#] Wed Jul 31 2013 05:15:41 EDT from fleeb @ Uncensored

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Yeah, the church would have homosexuals live lives that have no meaning to them, lacking some of the most basic interpersonal contact that help a human feel human.

Much as they already do to their priests.

Any church that would have you act in such an unnatural way cannot be listening to any sort of benevolent diety that created us.

[#] Wed Jul 31 2013 15:26:34 EDT from vince-q @ Cascade Lodge BBS

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Wed Jul 31 2013 02:15:41 AM PDT from fleeb @ Uncensored

Yeah, the church would have homosexuals live lives that have no meaning to them, lacking some of the most basic interpersonal contact that help a human feel human.

Much as they already do to their priests.

To accept a call to enter the Seminary and then, assuming all goes well academically and with the Vocation Discernment process, ordination fo the Priesthood is the result of individual free will.

You know, before you even start, that the end result is a set of vows, one of which is either the Vow of Chastity or the Vow of Celibacy (they are absolutely not the same).

It is similar to joining the military - you know before you do it that you may be injured or killed. You do it anyway. There is no military draft. You get killed. Do you blame the Army? Only if you are a complete idiot.

So, you become a priest. You know before you do it that you will not be allowed to get married. You do it anyway. Nobody is holding a gun to your head and forcing your decision. Do you blame the Church? Only if you are a complete idiot.

Some call the Roman Catholic Church's position on married clergy to be antiquated and in need of change. I am one of those persons that seriously think that marriage should not be an impediment to ordination, however if you are not married prior to ordination you should not be allowed to marry after you are ordained.

There are many married couples in this world who are past childbearing age, whose children have left the family abode to establish their own. The priesthood should be open to those men; married should not matter. The Church needs more priests and this is an untapped resource of incredibly valuable proportions.

But a 21-year-old about to enter Seminary must choose the unmarried life. Some might call this wrong. Those who do it call it Sacrifice. Freely. Willingly. Offered to God for Salvation's sake. A cross to bear, for sure; but a grace to be had in return, equally for sure.

It could always be worse - you could become a Jesuit !! <evil grin>

One of the main themes of just about any religion is self-denial of temporal pleasure(s) for eternal gain(s). This is not in any way unique to the Catholic Church - if you don't believe *me* just go ask any Buddhist.

This should be something to be admired and not derided or ridiculed. The fact that so many find itt so easy to deride and ridicule the Church over this issue is an indictment of our society and not an indictment of the Church. It is simply yet another example of people needing to learn whereof they speak before speaking about that of which they have learned little (if anything).

Or as my dad would have put it - make sure your brain is running before putting your mouth in gear.

And my final attachment to *that* paternal aphorism... one of my own favorites: If the foo shits, wear it!



[#] Wed Jul 31 2013 18:07:49 EDT from fleeb @ Uncensored

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I agree that if you're a priest, you already know what you're getting yourself into (at least mostly), as opposed to having that imposed on you just because you're different from everyone else.

But that wasn't the thrust of my problem with the church.

It feels to me that if you believe in a deity that supposedly created everything, you ought to have an extreme appreciation for nature, and understanding nature (if for no other reason than so you might appreciate your deity better). That the Catholic church elects to ignore nature and force its own views instead (even going as far as to impose celebacy on their priests) suggests something that's a little askew in their thinking.

(Or mine, I suppose, but I should hope that my logic at least makes sense).

[#] Thu Aug 01 2013 03:57:51 EDT from the_mgt @ Uncensored

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To some degree, there is free will, to some degree people are able to live in celibacy or chastity. But if it was that easy, you wouldn't have all the child abuse scandals, you wouldn't have secret gay networks in the vatican city, you wouldn't have priests living secret marriages with there household maids.

 

Of course you can argue that you knew what you were going for, but at age 21 it might seem like a totally sane idea to join the church and it does not need to stay such a good idea for the next 30-50 years. Then there are those that think they can "cure" they own sexual "deviation" by joining an asexual church. This might work in a monastery on the top of a mountain in the desert, but not in a crowded church with all the objects of your sexual desire in a position where they trust you, think you care for them, etc.

Considering the army comparison, yes you might kill or get killed, injure someone or get injured, but you have the chance to come home to the loving arms of your husband, wife or lizard in order to seek comfort. An imaginary hug by god isn't quiet the same. So, thinking about this, denying your priests love isn't really the thing a loving god intended. But then again, I never believed the god of the catholic church was a loving one.

 

On a side note, I can not get "Bust your knee caps" out of my head... loving that song.



[#] Thu Aug 01 2013 04:35:04 EDT from vince-q @ Uncensored

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Thu Aug 01 2013 03:57:51 EDT from the_mgt @ Uncensored
Considering the army comparison, yes you might kill or get killed, injure someone or get injured, but you have the chance to come home to the loving arms of your husband, wife or lizard in order to seek comfort.

And just what percentage of Vietnam War Veterans do you honestly think would agree that you describe their post-war experience?



[#] Thu Aug 01 2013 06:44:54 EDT from the_mgt @ Uncensored

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Thu Aug 01 2013 04:35:04 EDT from vince-q @ Uncensored

 

Thu Aug 01 2013 03:57:51 EDT from the_mgt @ Uncensored
Considering the army comparison, yes you might kill or get killed, injure someone or get injured, but you have the chance to come home to the loving arms of your husband, wife or lizard in order to seek comfort.

And just what percentage of Vietnam War Veterans do you honestly think would agree that you describe their post-war experience?

We already agreed that nobody forced them to join the army in the first place. Or was it different back then?



[#] Thu Aug 01 2013 09:38:29 EDT from fleeb @ Uncensored

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There was a draft for Vietnam. It was highly contentious given the lack of popularity for the war. A number of people fled to Canada to avoid the draft (the so-called 'draft dodgers'), and there was a lot of political flack in ... a while ago... concerning whether or not to pardon them.

[#] Thu Aug 01 2013 09:39:55 EDT from fleeb @ Uncensored

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Yeah, that 'Bust Your Knee Caps' tune stuck in my head for a very long time.
Great tune, and rather amusing.

[#] Thu Aug 01 2013 15:07:06 EDT from vince-q @ Uncensored

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Thu Aug 01 2013 09:38:29 EDT from fleeb @ Uncensored

There was a draft for Vietnam. It was highly contentious given the lack of popularity for the war. A number of people fled to Canada to avoid the draft (the so-called 'draft dodgers'), and there was a lot of political flack in ... a while ago... concerning whether or not to pardon them.

Almost correct. The military draft in the United States ended in 1973. The war continued for just over another full year after that.



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