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[#] Fri May 16 2008 09:04:16 EDT from Ford II @ Uncensored

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And there's where I don't get it
I might take talent to lead an orchestra, but I don't think orchestras need so much leading, so how much value add is there, really.

[#] Fri May 16 2008 10:05:37 EDT from fleeb @ Uncensored

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A good conductor can pull the music out of an orchestra.

A metronome can only cause the orchestra to go through the motions of making music.

The difference is in whether or not you can hear the soul of the music.  A good conductor can pull the soul of it out, and cause you to hear it.  A metronome is good for practice only. 

[#] Fri May 16 2008 10:11:15 EDT from Ford II @ Uncensored

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I used to be a big fan of there is soul in the music.
Over the years though, I've become more jaded and I'm more of the mind now that you pull out of the music what you want.
The distortion I have on a poorly recorded souxie and the banshees album I have brings out stuff in the music, nobody put in.
So I question whether it was the banshee's genius in making music that I like better when distorted or if it's just me and my odd tastes.
A conductor might inspire people to play better or differently or more in sync, but I think it's up to me to enjoy or like what I hear.

But that's me.

[#] Fri May 16 2008 11:20:53 EDT from fleeb @ Uncensored

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No piece of music calls to everyone.

No work of art in the world calls to everyone.

But some works of art call to more people than others. 

[#] Fri May 16 2008 13:06:06 EDT from Ford II @ Uncensored

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Right, and Ithink perhaps that happens regardless of the conductor.
Yes, he probably changes the end result of the performance, but I'm not sure he's the one that's pulling the soul out of the music.
But again, my views aren't those of a skilled musician.

[#] Fri May 16 2008 16:11:34 EDT from fleeb @ Uncensored

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Well, if it helps, a musician directs his instrument to make sounds the way he wants it to (sometimes as dictated by some other force, like a sheet of paper, or something).

A conductor's instrument is the orchestra.  He plays the orchestra, keeping all the various parts together, melding them in a way the individual musicians can't hope to accomplish, because of the size of the orchestra (or proximity to other instruments).  He can sense when a particular area of the orchestra is off, and get them back on track.  He can tell when a particular player is perhaps just a tad too loud, and direct the player to soften.

A metronome cannot do this. 

[#] Fri May 16 2008 16:14:16 EDT from Ford II @ Uncensored

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Fair enough. THat makes sense.
But maybe somebody should tell the orchestra that because the few (admitedly small sample) of orchestra people I've talked to never conveyed to me that they got any of that from the conductor.

[#] Fri May 16 2008 16:42:56 EDT from fleeb @ Uncensored

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So far, professional orchestra musicians I've met never want to admit that the conductor is capable of doing much of anything.

There's some kind of weird relationship between the conductor and the musicians in that setting... it's almost combative.  I think it's because the conductor makes them work, and they don't necessarily want to work as hard as the conductor would have them work.

I think.

I saw some of that in school orchestras, too.  But I did not see that when I made All State Band.  Nor did I see that in most volunteer large music groups (concert choirs, etc)... unless the conductor was an asshole.  I do recall seeing something like this in a church group, but only when the choir felt the music was too challanging for them (the choir leader was honestly pushing it, and while I loved it, the volunteers in the choir weren't as keen on it). 

[#] Fri May 16 2008 17:23:46 EDT from Ford II @ Uncensored

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(concert choirs, etc)... unless the conductor was an asshole. I do recall

seeing something like this in a church group, but only when the choir felt

Maybe all big orchestra conductors are assholes. :-)

[#] Fri May 16 2008 17:32:44 EDT from fleeb @ Uncensored

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Maybe that's what it takes to succeed in a large orchestra.


[#] Fri May 30 2008 12:05:41 EDT from fleeb @ Uncensored

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This is semi-tangential, but:

Iggy Pop's concert rider TSG is quite a hoot. 


[#] Fri May 30 2008 12:26:05 EDT from Peter Pulse @ Uncensored

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I love those riders. I wish they would include the tech rider pages but they don't... I wrote to thesmokinggun asking them to consider including the tech riders but they never answered.

[#] Tue Jun 10 2008 14:22:53 EDT from Ragnar Danneskjold @ Uncensored

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For you guitarists..... Moog pickups with infinite sustain.....

[#] Tue Jun 10 2008 14:36:02 EDT from Ford II @ Uncensored

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I don't get it, either the strings are vibrating or they're not.
And if they're not how can you do harmonics.

The guitar is doing something not normal, rather than the strings being interesting...

[#] Tue Jul 22 2008 12:42:36 EDT from fleeb @ Uncensored

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Playing drums can be more strenuous than playing soccer:

[#] Tue Jul 22 2008 20:35:36 EDT from razors @ My Castle Wall

Subject: here is a song i did when i was half drunk enjoy

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[#] Tue Jul 22 2008 21:00:44 EDT from razors @ My Castle Wall

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[#] Tue Jul 22 2008 21:09:33 EDT from razors @ My Castle Wall

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[#] Tue Jul 22 2008 22:22:27 EDT from BOFHMike @ My Castle Wall

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HEY, I think I wrote that when I was completely drunk!
Wed Jul 23 2008 00:35:36 UTC from razors@mycastlewall
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