they = porcupine tree. apparently they occasionally appear with Robert Fripp. Now that would be fun to see.
Fri 01 Jun 2007 03:14:22 PM EDT from IGnatius T Foobar@uncnsrd
Dream Theater r0x0rs but I still enjoy listening to Rush. Maybe it's because I started late and wasn't subjected to the kind of repetition that turns people off for life. (I had a similar experience -- a college roommate who listened to U2 almost continuously. It got old pretty fast.)
Out of context, I immediately though IG was listening to Rush Limbaugh. It didn't seem his style, though.
But I guess I would still enjoy it if I heard it now.
Jun 2 2007 7:47am from Ragnar Danneskjold @uncnsrd
Genesis pre-Phil? The Genesis of the 80's was a pop band, nothing like
when Peter Gabriel was at the helm.
wow. i've been trying to reconcile this for years (without lifting a finger to look into it). i like peter gabriel, and i know everyone says genesis was good when peter gabriel was in it, but i've been having problems wrapping my mind around it, until now. pre-phil. that explains it all. no phil. of course. duh. i'm such an idiot.
such insipid crap. The albums that were released after Peter Gabriel left
actually had some really great stuff on it.. Wind and Wuthering and A
Trick of the Tail were both damn co ol. And even though Duke was clearly
the END to the psychedelic Genesis.. it is still, judged by its own
rights, a mostly great album. But ABACAB... UGGGG. That was the END END
END of Genesis. Personally I think history has shown that it was a good
thing Peter Gabriel left when he did, because that kind of psychedelia
was approaching a dead end anyway. I think Peter Gabriel "Security" is
one of the best albums ever made, hands down. What a shame if they had
stayed together and burned on when psychedelic art rock burned out (for a
while).. and that album never got made. A true masterpiece.
I had this experience some time ago.
Long ago, when I worked as a euphonium player in the Army, I purposefully played this specific chord out of tune (and loudly), but with great enthusiasm.
In German oompa band music, after you've played several sets, the band often plays this chord, announced with some loud command (I forget exactly what you say.. I want to say 'Proust!', but I suspect that's not it). I always played it out of tune on purpose.
Once, the other euphonium player in the band turned to me afterwards, and pointed out that I might want to curb my enthusiasm, since I was badly out of tune. I said, "I know. That's the point." And he got this funny look on his face, something along the lines of 'WTF?'.
Fast forward many, many years. As I matured, I started to think that maybe I was a real dick for doing that... stomping on German tradition in some fashion by purposefully playing this chord out of tune, just because it felt right to do so at the time. While it isn't something that deeply haunted me, it really kind of concerned me, how much of a dick I must have been, and sort of resolved never to do something like that again should I ever find myself playing oompah music with a euphonium (not that *that* is likely to happen anytime soon, but... you know how it is).
Then, I heard this bit of music from Zappa's The Yellow Shark album. It was a bit with German oompa music, followed by that same traditional chord... with one or two instruments playing it out of tune just as I had (and this was an orchestra who had been playing really tough music perfectly in tune, so I knew it was done on purpose).
I did a little more research and found that this chord is played with the intention of signalling the drunk-off-their-ass Germans that it was time to applaud the musicians (if they felt so inclined). And, suddenly, it all made sense to me.
It felt right to play it out of tune because I was giving a nod to the Germanic tradition, in a funny sort of way. I was acknowleging the reason behind the chord, and helping to emphasize it in a gently humorous fashion, probably consistent with the tradition.
I think I was doing the right thing all along by following my instinct, and playing that note wrong.
But a military mind may not understand it, thus the "WTF???" look on the guy's face.