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[#] Thu Oct 26 2017 14:42:36 EDT from fleeb @ Uncensored

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Some people want to see the world burn:

[#] Thu Oct 26 2017 19:37:08 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

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Oh yeah, *that* was what was missing from the world ... a rewrite of EDLIN.

Does anyone actually *use* FreeDOS? I thought it existed only as a placeholder for manufacturers to sell computers without an operating system pre-installed, but they have to put something on the disk to get around Microsoft's "any computer sold without an operating system automatically counts as piracy of Windows" schtick.

[#] Fri Oct 27 2017 06:36:27 EDT from fleeb @ Uncensored

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For a long time, some form of DOS was needed to at least flash a BIOS or the like, but now that everything seems to support USB, and people building motherboards today account for this, I think it's far less useful than it used to be.

[#] Tue Oct 31 2017 11:38:21 EDT from kc5tja @ Uncensored

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Many industrial computers drive equipment with software that only runs in a DOS environment. FreeDOS is primarily intended for similar such applications.

[#] Tue Oct 31 2017 12:49:26 EDT from Ragnar Danneskjold @ Uncensored

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[#] Tue Oct 31 2017 13:59:15 EDT from fleeb @ Uncensored

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Ah, that's rich!

[#] Tue Oct 31 2017 14:00:02 EDT from zooer @ Uncensored

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We’ve seen lots of blunders on stage, and still happen occasionally, but this must be the best of all. 


How soon they forget:


[#] Tue Oct 31 2017 19:16:45 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

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Well, at least they correctly demonstrated that the only legitimate purpose of Internet Edge-plorer is to download a real web browser.

Remember the good old days when you had to use FTP to download Netscape?

[#] Wed Nov 01 2017 07:53:55 EDT from fleeb @ Uncensored

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I think we can see something interesting here.

Microsoft bundled its browser with the OS, effectively killing Netscape.
In those days, people didn't seem to grasp enough about computers to even realize they had a choice in browsers... they were content to use the one on the OS, even if it was a pile of shit.

Today, people are savvy enough to not only recognize a shitty browser, but to also download and install a browser they prefer in its place.

Even though you'd think, "Well, it's just a browser, any of these ought to do," there's enough of a difference that people still care enough to install their own.

Frankly, we've come a ways from the computer illiterate person just getting into computers. It's part of our lives now, like it or not.

And those who never really got it about computers, or for whatever reason didn't embrace them, are probably kinda lost, and getting more lost as time moves forward.

[#] Wed Nov 15 2017 20:07:17 EST from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

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Microsoft was the primary culprit in killing Netscape, but Netscape also had a hand in its own destruction. The predominant attitude over there, espoused by famous assholes such as Mike Shaver and Jamie Zawinski, was "we invented the popular Internet and it is ours and you must continue to revere us as gods." They really did think of themselves that highly and could not imagine the crown passing to someone else.

Microsoft bashing observation for today:

People like to bash non-Microsoft office suites like LibreOffice because they occasionally don't have full fidelity opening Microsoft Office documents.
You know what's even worse at opening Microsoft Office documents? Microsoft Office 365. Anything other than the simplest of documents, it's like there was a middle step where someone tried to edit it in emacs first.

Also ... Sharepoint 365 is even worse than regular Sharepoint. I didn't even think that was possible.

[#] Thu Nov 16 2017 15:14:37 EST from Ragnar Danneskjold @ Uncensored

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I haven't seen any real issues with Office 365 Word documents. As for Sharepoint, fuck that.

[#] Fri Dec 08 2017 17:17:13 EST from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

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Until that fateful day when Microsoft finally stops pretending that non-unix operating systems are long term viable...

I am recommending that everyone who is still using computers with CD or DVD drives in them ... set the drive letter to "B:".

Yes, it works. Yes, you should do it. Seriously, who even has *one* floppy drive anymore? Everyone sets the optical drive to Z: so they can make room for network drives on D: or E: ... why not put it on B: where there will *never* be a conflict?

Amiga OS did multi-root filesystems the right way. CP/M derivatives and their drive letters ... feh.

[#] Mon Dec 11 2017 08:39:29 EST from fleeb @ Uncensored

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I do rather like mount points off a root, though, e.g. posix.

[#] Wed Dec 13 2017 13:34:43 EST from fleeb @ Uncensored

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This is a trifle weird.

I'm using a native bash prompt on this Windows 10 machine to connect using ssh (again... native...) to write this message.

I didn't think this sort of thing would ever be possible on Windows.

[#] Wed Dec 13 2017 14:22:25 EST from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

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If you think that's weird ... try "sudo apt-get install citadel-client" followed by "citadel"

[#] Thu Dec 14 2017 11:53:38 EST from fleeb @ Uncensored

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E: Unable to locate package citadel-client

Well, it's good to know you can rely upon Microsoft for some things.

[#] Thu Dec 14 2017 15:13:34 EST from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

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Well, that's weird.

$ sudo apt-cache search citadel-client
citadel-client - complete and feature-rich groupware server (command line client)

It's definitely in the repository. And to be certain, bash-on-ubuntu-on-windows pulls from the official Ubuntu repos, not from something Microsoftian, because it runs *unmodified* Linux binaries.

Maybe do "sudo apt update" first, to refresh your cache of available updates?

[#] Fri Dec 15 2017 05:47:13 EST from fleeb @ Uncensored

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Duh, that was indeed the trick.

I should really have known better. But then, my expectations out of Microsoft are so low...

[#] Sat Dec 16 2017 14:08:36 EST from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

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Considering how much Windows is NOT Linux, it's remarkable how authentic and compatible the Linux-on-Windows experience is.  It's basically like WINE in reverse (which, if you think about it, is a zillion times easier, since the Linux ABI is a lot cleaner than Windows, and they don't have to cleanroom reimplement all of the system libraries, since it's all open source).  On my computer I've also installed xming and can run GUI programs, albeit without any graphics acceleration.  But who plays high framerate video games on Linux anyway?

I'm thinking that if the Linux world manages to complete the transition from X11 to Wayland, it'll be pretty easy for someone to build a Wayland compositor that coexists with the native Windows desktop.

Meanwhile, the desktop itself becomes less and less relevant every year.  We could be looking at the end-state here.

[#] Wed Jan 03 2018 15:58:19 EST from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

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Microsoft is so annoying when they use smileys :-) in their software. When one appears in an empty mailbox, it doesn't look friendly, it looks stupid.
When one appears on the Blue Screen of Death, it doesn't look friendly either, it looks smug. I'm sure they put it in other places too, because they think they're hip and trendy.

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