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[#] Thu Aug 18 2016 11:26:31 EDT from Ladyhawke @ Uncensored

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Mon Aug 08 2016 02:42:12 PM EDT from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored
Linux is THE gold standard unix at this point. All others are measured by how they measure up to Linux. Apple and Oracle are doing their best to be somewhat Linux-like but only Microsoft has taken the time to bring in a real Linux runtime.

That's the situation on the ground today, of course. It remains to be seen whether they will continue to support it or if it's simply another embrace-extend-extinguish play. We just don't know yet ... with both Bill Hitler Gates and Steve MonkeyBoy Ballmer gone, they might behave. Or they might not.

I'm sorry.....did I hear you right?  Did you, IG T Foobar, just *praise* your MS Overlord???



[#] Thu Aug 18 2016 17:55:46 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

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Don't get me wrong, I'd still like to put Bill Gates feet-first into a wood chipper, and run the motor extra slow to savor every moment of his slow and excruciating death, and it would still be only a small fraction of what he deserves.

But we've moved past the chapter in history where Microsoft was an existential threat to everything other than itself. That mantle belongs to Facebook now, and maybe Amazon. And the proper course of action for any reasonable person in this world is to smash Zuckerberg in the face with a baseball bat repeatedly until Facebook ceases to exist.

Linux on the traditional desktop simply hasn't taken hold. In the meantime, however, Linux has utterly dominated every other area of computing: servers, mobile, supercomputing, infrastructure ... pretty much everything.

So I'm ok with the fact that Windows 10 + WSL is a more usable Linux-like system than the one Apple has.

[#] Fri Aug 19 2016 02:26:32 EDT from LoanShark @ Uncensored

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How can the guy who gave us this do anybody wrong, http://i.imgur.com/Ad6WrGj.jpg

[#] Fri Aug 19 2016 02:28:31 EDT from LoanShark @ Uncensored

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So I'm ok with the fact that Windows 10 + WSL is a more usable
Linux-like system than the one Apple has.

IGgish statement noted... I wonder how MS solved some of the classic problems - NTFS has fundamentally different semantics than Unix filesystems (inodes, deletions...) which Unix software tends to rely on...

[#] Fri Aug 19 2016 15:47:43 EDT from Ragnar Danneskjold @ Uncensored

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I just installed xming on Windows 10 and am running some X-based GUI apps.....
So bizarre.

[#] Fri Aug 19 2016 17:20:07 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

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problems - NTFS has fundamentally different semantics than Unix
filesystems (inodes, deletions...) which Unix software tends to rely

Seems to work fine:

# date >foo
# date >bar
# ln foo baz
# ln -s bar qux
# ls -li
total 0
48413695994240851 -rwxrwxrwx 1 root root 29 Aug 19 17:14 bar
2251799813693265 -rwxrwxrwx 2 root root 29 Aug 19 17:14 baz
2251799813693265 -rwxrwxrwx 2 root root 29 Aug 19 17:14 foo
72057594037935935 lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 3 Aug 19 17:14 qux -> bar

This isn't a M$-blessed version of Cygwin. It is a kernel subsystem that provides a mostly complete Linux-like kernel environment. The repository it draws from is the *actual* Ubunto repository, not a port.

Listen, they did a good job here; I'm not one to let my own biases distort reality when I evaluate technology offerings.

Where it *doesn't* run unmodified Linux binaries is when you get into things like D-Bus that depend on specific Linux kernel subsystems that haven't been implemented in WSL. M$ says that this is intended as a development platform rather than a deployment platform.

[#] Fri Aug 19 2016 17:21:05 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

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How can the guy who gave us this do anybody wrong,
http://i.imgur.com/Ad6WrGj.jpg

What *is* that? It looks like Bill Gates is in need of a slightly smaller tampon.

[#] Fri Aug 19 2016 17:24:18 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

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I just installed xming on Windows 10 and am running some X-based GUI
apps.....
So bizarre.

The latest version of MobaXterm offers this too. One click and it opens up a Linux terminal window with the X server already connected.

[#] Fri Aug 19 2016 17:57:43 EDT from Ragnar Danneskjold @ Uncensored

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In other news, M$ open sources Powershell?!? And it's available for Linux and OSX. We're definitely in bizarroland.

[#] Sat Aug 20 2016 22:07:20 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

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Yeesh.  As if it wasn't bad enough having PowerShell on Windows.  Sounds like that communist bitch and arch enemy of open source Miguel Hitler de Icaza is behind this.



[#] Mon Aug 22 2016 11:38:38 EDT from fleeb @ Uncensored

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Yeah, I saw the PowerShell thing and ... well ... I'm kind of a tad frightened.

It's fundamentally a .NET shell. And I kinda hate .NET, but that hatred might border on irrationality, maybe, so I should think it through.

But the bigger problem is that I have to support PowerShell for our product, and the idea of having to support it on multiple platforms kinda makes me want to crawl into a corner and die.

[#] Mon Aug 22 2016 12:34:36 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

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Well it's been an interesting year: (h/t to dothebart who found this one via Twitter)

* Linux users got PowerShell
* Windows users got bash
* FreeBSD users got wifi

:)

[#] Wed Aug 24 2016 06:28:54 EDT from LoanShark @ Uncensored

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yer kiddin. it took this long?

[#] Wed Aug 24 2016 22:00:19 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

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Naah, it's just tongue in cheek, they've had it for a while. Dunno if it works without a lot of manual configuration though.

[#] Thu Aug 25 2016 08:03:44 EDT from fleeb @ Uncensored

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Hi.



We're happy you're here.


Getting things ready, please don't turn off your PC.



[ blue screen ]

[#] Thu Aug 25 2016 08:04:59 EDT from fleeb @ Uncensored

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Heh...


"Windows stays up to date to help protect you in an online world"

"It knows when you've been sleeping. It knows when you're awake."

[#] Fri Aug 26 2016 11:00:07 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

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...we control the horizontal, we control the vertical, resistance is futile, you are Cortana's bitch, etc. etc. etc.

[#] Mon Aug 29 2016 11:16:23 EDT from LoanShark @ Uncensored

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IG, have you tried any Java yet on Windows Subsystem for Linux?

[#] Mon Aug 29 2016 11:18:25 EDT from LoanShark @ Uncensored

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This discussion got me curious, so I updated my Win10 to the latest build and installed WSL. Poked around. There is a /dev/lxss which is undocumented, but a google search turns up some code that seems to be intended to use /dev/lxss to call out to the Window kernel and ask it to run normal Windows binaries.

[#] Tue Aug 30 2016 09:42:00 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

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IG, have you tried any Java yet on Windows Subsystem for Linux?

I did, and it didn't really work all that well. Linux is better than Windows at being able to say "use *this* Java for *this* application" so I was hoping to keep a couple of different trees around like I do on my Linux desktop.
The java interpreter starts up, but it doesn't run enough to open a GUI application (even though I have a working X server).

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