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[#] Fri Jan 23 2015 08:47:40 EST from fleeb @ Uncensored

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Windows isn't Outlook. It still treats Unicode characters according to standards.
Outlook is at fault here for not following Unicode standards.

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All of this said, a lot of Microsoft staff was laid off not too long ago, so I expect they aren't feeling much love from Microsoft now. In many ways, they seem like victims. Heh.

[#] Fri Jan 23 2015 10:29:40 EST from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

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Windows isn't Outlook. It still treats Unicode characters according


Sure, and cancer is no big deal if you don't care about the part of your body where the cancer is, right?

If you've been railroaded into using Windows on the desktop, it's probably because someone is running back end crap like Exchange, which is designed to suck even more miserably when you don't use Outlook. In other words, the entire Microsoft software ecosystem is a software cancer that spreads itself into everything that it touches. That ecosystem can and should be criticized as a whole. And like cancer, it should be eradicated.

[#] Mon Jan 26 2015 18:28:05 EST from the_mgt @ Uncensored

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Wed Jan 21 2015 16:30:39 ESTfrom triLcat @ Uncensored

As for Mac, I'm pretty sure it's just for hipsters.
It's not even easier to use anymore. 

Hipsters would prefer linux' noncoformity over a Mac, but there is no photoshop available.
Last semester, I took Relantional Databases 2 as a course at the university, there were 3 people using a Macbook Air (one of them a dedicated hipster, glasses and beard and iphone and all, one a russian and one was me), all others were using various Microsoft machines. Only one guy was using a linux. Even CS students have given up on linux, sadly.

 



[#] Tue Jan 27 2015 06:23:49 EST from fleeb @ Uncensored

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Hrm... linux is still used very heavily in a variety of places. Why would CS students give up on it?

[#] Tue Jan 27 2015 07:14:13 EST from dothebart @ Uncensored

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because of they don't know better?



[#] Tue Jan 27 2015 12:01:27 EST from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

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At one time, there was a popular rationale that if the free world didn't conquer the desktop, Microsoft would eventually use all of their lock-in and tie-in strategy to conquer everything that is *not* the desktop.

Well, here we are, some 15 years after what I would call the peak of the Microsoft "red scare" in the late 1990's, and the landscape looks a bit different...

* Apple is no longer on life support
* Even though the Linux desktop is superior to Windows in every conceivable way, it still has less than 5% uptake
* Quite simply, the Windows desktop, awful as it is, is not going away.
* On the other hand, Linux has taken over pretty much everywhere else:
* Linux absolutely *dominates* mobile
* The infrastructure operating system of choice is Linux
* "The Cloud" is powered by Linux (except for A$ure of course)
* Servers, except for the crapfest of AD/Exchange/Sharepoint preferred by corporate types everywhere, are largely an open systems phenomenon these days.
* And let's face it, nobody in their right mind writes software that runs directly on the desktop anymore.

Don't get me wrong, I'd still like to feed Bill Gates feet-first into a wood chipper, and then nuke Redmond. I'd still like to see more Linux desktops out there. I'd still like to be able to buy a f***ing laptop from a volume seller that doesn't have a Microsoft jizya included in the price. But, the free world isn't fighting for its own survival anymore. We're here, we're fabulous, get used to us.

[#] Wed Jan 28 2015 07:55:20 EST from dothebart @ Uncensored

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Tue Jan 27 2015 12:01:27 EST from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored
At one time, there was a popular rationale that if the free world didn't conquer the desktop, Microsoft would eventually use all of their lock-in and tie-in strategy to conquer everything that is *not* the desktop.

Well, here we are, some 15 years after what I would call the peak of the Microsoft "red scare" in the late 1990's, and the landscape looks a bit different...

* Apple is no longer on life support
* Even though the Linux desktop is superior to Windows in every conceivable way, it still has less than 5% uptake
* Quite simply, the Windows desktop, awful as it is, is not going away.
* On the other hand, Linux has taken over pretty much everywhere else:
* Linux absolutely *dominates* mobile
* The infrastructure operating system of choice is Linux
* "The Cloud" is powered by Linux (except for A$ure of course)
* Servers, except for the crapfest of AD/Exchange/Sharepoint preferred by corporate types everywhere, are largely an open systems phenomenon these days.
* And let's face it, nobody in their right mind writes software that runs directly on the desktop anymore.

Don't get me wrong, I'd still like to feed Bill Gates feet-first into a wood chipper, and then nuke Redmond. I'd still like to see more Linux desktops out there. I'd still like to be able to buy a f***ing laptop from a volume seller that doesn't have a Microsoft jizya included in the price. But, the free world isn't fighting for its own survival anymore. We're here, we're fabulous, get used to us.

I guess you forget all of the settop boxes, DVD players and tellys which usually have a linux derivate in them...  Even in vehicle entertainment systems tend to be linux. wince was a nice try with almost zero uptake...

In terms of device count linux realy won.



[#] Wed Jan 28 2015 11:51:01 EST from Freakdog @ Dog Pound BBS II

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I guess you forget all of the settop boxes, DVD players and tellys
which usually have a linux derivate in them...  Even in vehicle
entertainment systems tend to be linux. wince was a nice try with
almost zero uptake...

In terms of device count linux realy won.

I can't speak for FIOS STBs, or the typical cable STB...AT&T's Uverse STBs run an embedded Windows (they report as WinCE).

[#] Wed Jan 28 2015 19:03:11 EST from the_mgt @ Uncensored

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Tue Jan 27 2015 06:23:49 EST from fleeb @ Uncensored
Hrm... linux is still used very heavily in a variety of places. Why would CS students give up on it? 

I have no clue, really. Because they are to lazy? Because they need photoshop, too?

The other bizarre thing in the relational database course: They always talked about DB2 and Oracle. Mysql and friends almost always were talked about like they were the demented basketcase of the family. I understand that in a business environment, there are commercial DBMS around. But universities also teach Java instead of commercial grade programming language (TM). Most of the web is powered by free dbms, I guess. And all of the companies I work for use MSSQL Express, if forced to. It is rather easy for any student to set up mysql and mssql express to experiment on, I'd focus my courses on something like that.



[#] Wed Jan 28 2015 22:26:53 EST from vince-q @ Cascade Lodge BBS

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Both Dish Network and (in)DirecTV set tops are linux. In fact, there are many hacks out there for both.

[#] Thu Jan 29 2015 08:45:58 EST from fleeb @ Uncensored

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I can see teaching Oracle. DB2? Oookay, fine.

But the industry heavily uses MySQL and SQL Server (not that either of those are my preferred db engine of choice). Oracle is also heavily used, so I get that.

Ah well... I shouldn't be surprised the colleges are out of touch.

[#] Thu Jan 29 2015 10:18:55 EST from the_mgt @ Uncensored

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They probably created their powerpoint presentations back when they started to teach, a few years ago and were too lazy updating them.

The RDB2 Workshop tutorial actually uses DB2 at our university.

I once tried a few things I found in an Oracle based rdb learning book on mysql... didn't work. Hurray to standardized query languages...



[#] Thu Jan 29 2015 15:03:57 EST from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

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I remember when 'softies criticized non-native applications because they had a "foreign look" to them. Oh, they said, everything would be so confusing because the users would have a "jarring experience" from all of the non-Windows-looking chrome on the screen.

I'm looking at a 'doze desktop right now and seeing no fewer than four different look-and-feel on the screen. Ironically, Microsoft itself is the biggest offender; Office hasn't used Windows native chrome in a long time, and Office 2013 looks horrifying. There's a softphone on this screen, with dark controls pretending to be a 5" OLED. There's the Google Chrome browser, which seems to follow whatever the hell it wants to in terms of UI/UX.

Ironically, the only Windows-native window decorations I see anywhere on this screen are on a Cygwin terminal, whose sole purpose in life is to offer a more unix-like command line.

(I'm deliberately not including the apps from my Linux VM that I have open in seamless mode, because I know that's not fair.)

[#] Mon Feb 02 2015 17:11:07 EST from dothebart @ Uncensored

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https://dev.windows.com/en-us/featured/raspberrypi2support

whew. remembering that Nokia had to waste a whole year in re-developping their smartphone hardware basis on a soc of a company they never worked with so they could run windows 7/8/ whatever...

THIS sounds desperate.



[#] Mon Feb 02 2015 18:48:44 EST from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

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Kids are learning computers on non-Windows platforms again. This had to be stopped.

Of course, it's the crappy (I mean even crappier than normal) version of 'doze that only allows two programs to be open at once, and it'll have no desktop, only "modern" apps.

So basically it turns your Pi into a crippled version of Surface RT.

[#] Tue Feb 03 2015 00:07:38 EST from ax25 @ Uncensored

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I think it will catch on.  I think I read somewhere that they were reviving Microsoft Bob and Clippy to help the children program without the sharp edges that would otherwise be present in non-directed programming and without any hulking IDE's.



[#] Tue Feb 03 2015 08:36:28 EST from fleeb @ Uncensored

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Oh gawd...

"It looks like you're trying to sort a vector. Would you like help with that?"

[#] Tue Feb 03 2015 11:24:37 EST from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

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They're going to encourage schoolchildren to use the Pi to achieve Bill Gates' lifelong dream of developing an easy way to factor large prime numbers.

[#] Tue Feb 10 2015 13:45:22 EST from dothebart @ Uncensored

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hm, teh microsoft having a good week in the press?

http://recode.net/2015/02/08/microsoft-quietly-had-a-really-good-week/



[#] Wed Feb 11 2015 16:51:17 EST from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

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Because they are bringing out new versions of Outlook and Office?

btw I looked into Outlook for Android; it doesn't support Exchange, only Office 365.

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