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[#] Wed Apr 23 2014 13:32:17 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

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...such as the behavior of people attracted to shiny things in the Apple store and ignoring hundreds of square feet of complete crap in the Microsoft store.

I also saw the looks we were getting from some of the teenagers there, who couldn't quite figure out why my 14-year-old was carrying around a teddy bear.

[#] Mon Apr 28 2014 07:38:24 EDT from the_mgt @ Uncensored

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A funny thing I noticed is that "used" Win7 and Office2010 licenses become so cheap, that it beats the risk of pirating one. Of course MS does not like that, but nobody likes their Win8 and 365 shyte.

And the hotlines for getting a downgrade activation code for a Win8 key, in order to actually make use of a computer instead smashing it with a hammer are so bizarre, it seems they directly connect you into some Philip K. Dick novel.

[#] Mon Apr 28 2014 12:57:31 EDT from triLcat @ Uncensored

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Hate to Apple bash here, but dang, my dad insists that if my mom gets a smartphone, she should get an iPhone.
1. She has an iPad and iPod Touch and hates the file-transfer/iTunes system - she's much more comfortable with a normal file-transfer system, where you transfer your music, docs, etc by filename into folders
2. She is technically inclined
3. You pay like 2x as much for the same power as in an Android...

The thing is that my dad barely knows how to use a computer or an iPad, and won't touch her Symbian phone (Nokia 5800, which was actually a very good phone for its era) 
Everyone who has talked to them about it and knows my mom says Android.

But my dad wants "the set"


[#] Mon Apr 28 2014 13:12:51 EDT from fleeb @ Uncensored

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Heh, perhaps someone should get your father the iPhone and let your mother use a real phone.

[#] Mon Apr 28 2014 14:11:20 EDT from the_mgt @ Uncensored

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The thought that my mom now owns an android smart phone the size of a weapon of mass destruction makes me sick. Somebody advised her to buy it, but nobody told her how to use it. Guess who has to connect it to her computer, guess who has to tell her the basics. Guess who is shocked by the price for her mobile plan, guess who can not believe that they got her a t-mobile phone preloaded with crapware for which you would have needed the cpu power of all the 1990s supercomputers combined.

My mom is the user for which mac minis and iphones were developed. She should get a restraining order from any major file browser in the world.

Guess who recently deleted most of the photos stored on her computer because "they are already in the image gallery program". This is the reason why iPhoto hides the images in one big folder, why the iTunes library is "hidden" in the depth of your Music folder.

I am convinced that 95% of all computer users should never have to mess around with files.

[#] Mon Apr 28 2014 15:18:37 EDT from triLcat @ Uncensored

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My mom's been a computer user since 1983. 
She's used Dos commands, Unix, the whole bit.

She used Type-it-All on our TRS-80, and even did some rudimentary programming. 

She does more with her Nokia 5800 than most people do with their iPhones. 

In her case, Android is a good option. 

[#] Mon Apr 28 2014 15:57:45 EDT from fleeb @ Uncensored

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Yeah, my former boss and I noted that people who were uncomfortable around computers should use iPhones. Those phones are made for those guys. Don't worry about that man behind the curtain... that sort of thing.

But for the rest of us, the Android is the better phone. Very flexible, and you can do damned near anything you might care to do with it.

[#] Mon Apr 28 2014 19:22:28 EDT from Ladyhawke @ Uncensored

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I still love my keyboard, even if my thumbs don't.

[#] Mon Apr 28 2014 22:01:39 EDT from mo @ Uncensored

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Did anyone see, the IEEE honored Gary Kildall  last week, for his achievements?


Check outthe facebook page also. :)

[#] Mon Apr 28 2014 22:11:28 EDT from mo @ Uncensored

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I should add:

(if your curious about what's on the paper tape? :) )


"Legacy of Gary Kildall - Event April 25, 2014"

(photo and quote from above facebook page)

"Gary Kildall’s gift to the world of personal computing was
celebrated yesterday when President-Elect Howard Michel of
the IEEE cut the punched paper tape to unveil a plaque
commemorating “The CP/M Microcomputer Operating System – 1974.”
Close to 150 friends, family, IEEE officers, Asilomar
Microcomputer Workshop participants, NPS personnel, DRI alumni,
and local citizens and dignitaries braved the stormy skies of
appropriately Seattle and “Navy” weather to dedicate this
important Milestone in computing history. The message on the tape,
"This may have been one of the most exciting days of my life,
except of course when I visited Niagara Falls one day," was a
favorite expression of Gary's."


[#] Tue Apr 29 2014 10:40:30 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

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Does it do its due diligence in helping to bust the myth that Kildall "blew off IBM" when they were shopping for an operating system? (The real reason IBM went with QDOS is because Bill Gates' mom had an inside contact there.)

[#] Tue Apr 29 2014 10:57:48 EDT from fleeb @ Uncensored

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Unrelated to the above, I just got a corporate e-mail sent with 'high importance' telling us to avoid using IE, as it contains the vulnerability that all of us are already aware of.

The vulnerability, of course, is that you might be running a Windows operating system.

[#] Tue Apr 29 2014 12:01:51 EDT from vince-q @ Cascade Lodge BBS

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The vulnerability, of course, is that you might be running a Windows

operating system.

The Ultimate Windows Anti-Virus Innoculation Procedure

A) Open a command-line window
B) Execute the following:

C> format *.*

C) Wait for it to complete.

System is now innoculated in the safest possible way!

Then proceed with the net-install of your favorite linux distro.

[#] Wed Apr 30 2014 08:53:13 EDT from zooer @ Uncensored

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Check out the facebook page also. :)

(look of horror on face) (gasp!)

[#] Wed Apr 30 2014 12:03:12 EDT from mo @ Uncensored

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Shocking i know! I bet all the Digital Research top brass are on there though.


Funny lot the IEEE, in their magazine they also published a story about a guy who runs a software forensics company comparing the source of MSDOS to CP/M.  Total rubbish!!!

At least they had the sense to include in the article heading that it is known the author actually is on Microsoft Corp's payroll as an expert advisor/witness. 

The entry on Gary Kildall in the book from the PBS documentary mentioned is quite good though, if you've never seen it before:


Anyone here ever play about with CP/M in recent years? It's ok i won't tell! :)

[#] Wed Apr 30 2014 14:08:16 EDT from fleeb @ Uncensored

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I haven't played with CP/M in a very long time. Not since the C-128 days.

[#] Wed Apr 30 2014 14:32:45 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

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Plenty of emulators out there, including some which can be tried out through a web browser.

Last time I did it, I just poked around and realized how much of the syntax of the PIP command I'd forgotten. Then I played around with ADVENT and realized that if all I wanted to do was play Colossal Cave, I could do it natively on Linux.

[#] Thu May 01 2014 13:13:13 EDT from mo @ Uncensored

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Has anyone heard of the N8VEM single board computer?

I know, i know; another crazy diy z80 project!  But!

This is the one of the things i came across in 2007 i think when i first got a computer (an old pentium 3  cast out from my works office, loaded with windose Me") and saw these guys build it from scratch and shared their joy on first getting cp/m to boot and watched before that getting all the IC's to play nice with each other, and ...   -- they havn't stopped since:

Their homepage:

One of the guys i would rush home from work to read his latest evenings work together with the first few members of the n8vem team/community (they were all rushing home from work to get stuck into it also :) ).


I have a SBC which i need on populate and get cp/m booted on, and thats coming from someone who didn't know how to switch on a computer in 2006 and didn't know an electron from an elephant.  :)

[#] Thu May 01 2014 13:24:34 EDT from mo @ Uncensored

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I meant "I have an SBC which i need to populate..." (with IC's) 


And the other guy i would run home to watch his evenings work was in Australia and set up a nice little wireless link on his farm to control irrigation.

Also their were guys on there building wireless mesh networks even with these little cp/m SBC's.   this was near the start of project before they really got into overdrive :)

I think it cool, using old technology with modern tech to solve real world problems. I am sure that you can get a small cp/m setup to solve alot of real world problems that a similar modern, pic etc, system cannot?

There must be a few CP/M systems still running, as i have heard some people still building them for real world industrial applications?

Anyway i voewd to make electronics my hobby now - even if it's something i have to retire to  fully get stuck into- it's kinda fun. :D


[#] Thu May 01 2014 17:10:18 EDT from the_mgt @ Uncensored

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Thu May 01 2014 13:24:34 EDTfrom mo @ Uncensored

There must be a few CP/M systems still running, as i have heard some people still building them for real world industrial applications?

One of the computer hardware stores I frequently visit told me about a beer brewing system that still runs with a x286 (pc) mainboard. They were in real trouble when it broke down once.

A nearby, small theme park runs an attraction that uses something that looked like win95 or 98 in its guts.

Two years ago, I payed at a gas station with a register the size of a mainframe, it had some tiny lcd display for the price digits. Must have been 30 years old and probably accounts for half of their power bill.

So yes, I am convinced that people do still use CP/M systems somewhere.

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