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[#] Thu Dec 12 2013 07:55:44 EST from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

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the_mgt: 1366x768 is colloquially called "720p" by the marketing scum who want to make it sound all cool and high-def.

zooer: the existence of "headless" Windoze Server seems to agree with you, but even Windoze experts seem to agree that PowerShell doesn't have the elegance and intuitive nature of a Unix shell.

And in other news, here's a great article about why Connectix Virtual PC ... err, I mean Microsoft Hyper-V ... will continue to be a non-starter in the virtualized data center: [ http://goo.gl/uFjm8K ]

[#] Thu Dec 12 2013 09:29:41 EST from the_mgt @ Uncensored

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Thu Dec 12 2013 07:55:44 EST from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored
the_mgt: 1366x768 is colloquially called "720p" by the marketing scum who want to make it sound all cool and high-def. 

Yes, just after writing my rant I thought the same: "If it can do 720p, it must be hip." I guess 720p was indeed hot, but that was about 10years ago... It might be ok on a 12" display, but they are selling 15" devices. My ultracheap 12" Lenovo S12 netbook had a higher resolution, almost 4 years ago!



[#] Thu Dec 12 2013 09:58:10 EST from zooer @ Uncensored

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"I feel like a moron. Waiting outside a Microsoft Store..."
http://kaching.tumblr.com/post/69772254412/i-feel-like-a-moron-waiting-outside-a-microsoft

[#] Thu Dec 12 2013 12:02:26 EST from dothebart @ Uncensored

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Thu Dec 12 2013 07:55:44 EST from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored
And in other news, here's a great article about why Connectix Virtual PC ... err, I mean Microsoft Hyper-V ... will continue to be a non-starter in the virtualized data center: [ http://goo.gl/uFjm8K ]

as even some microsoft employees admit, that the Kernel isn't the fastest and dropping behind the rest of the world year by year, why would you run it as hypervisor?



[#] Fri Dec 13 2013 12:39:18 EST from Ladyhawke @ Uncensored

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What Freak said, mostly.  Though a friend at the evil empire says that you will get at least a primitive file menu from that button, as well as the tile screen.  EG, we're too dumb to figure out how to do this right, even though we had already been doing it for 20 years, so here's a stupid W3.1 version to shut all y'all up.



[#] Fri Dec 13 2013 21:08:38 EST from Sig @ Uncensored

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If people want to use Windows, I guess they should be able to. I really rather object to our government standardizing on MS-proprietary file formats and systems, however. I absolutely loathe that I have to have a Windows machine (or at least a virtual machine) to do Army business.

[#] Tue Dec 17 2013 13:19:21 EST from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

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"I feel like a moron. Waiting outside a Microsoft Store..."

The real morons are *inside* the Microsoft Store.

[#] Thu Dec 26 2013 11:10:22 EST from athos-mn @ Uncensored

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Windows 8 is just the same problem Microsoft had with the Windows Mobile (aka Windows CE), where Microsoft thought that the Windows XP/2000 desktop would be nifty on a tiny mobile phone. Now Microsoft has what some people say is a good mobile interface, so they've decided that it should go on the desktop, too. 



[#] Thu Dec 26 2013 13:44:07 EST from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

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It's called "force people to learn our shitty mobile UI by forcing it onto our monopoly desktop users"

[#] Fri Dec 27 2013 15:43:35 EST from vince-q @ Cascade Lodge BBS

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In all honesty, as much as I absolutely despise All Things Mickey$lop, the Win8 interface is really not all that bad on the desktop.

I've seen a *lot* worse on X using linux over the years. And some of that is still very much in use. And still very much worse than Win8.

[#] Fri Dec 27 2013 16:59:21 EST from Sig @ Uncensored

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And still eminently replaceable with dozens of viable options without swapping out the operating system. No matter how bad the interface, you can change it to something else. MS certainly doesn't have a monopoly on design fails, true, but they do insist that you live with it in a way the OSS community does not.

[#] Sat Dec 28 2013 08:36:55 EST from dothebart @ Uncensored

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I guess you're not all right there.

there are shell replacements & enhancements for windows too.

They're just not as common; thinking about bblean or xobelite...



[#] Sat Dec 28 2013 11:07:47 EST from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

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vince: how much did Micro$oft pay you to write that? </oblig>

[#] Sun Dec 29 2013 01:10:42 EST from vince-q @ Uncensored

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Dec 28 2013 11:07am from IGnatius T Foobar @uncnsrd
vince: how much did Micro$oft pay you to write that? </oblig>



Nothing.
I do not have to be paid to write that which is true.
And folks do not have enough money to get me to write falsehood(*).

(*)Satire and fiction being the obvious exceptions.

[#] Sun Dec 29 2013 09:06:00 EST from Freakdog @ Dog Pound BBS II

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I have to disagree, Vince. The constant switching between what we've come to know as a "windowed app" and those apps that blend into the tiled desktop, along with the seeming inability to close those tile style apps, drives me up a wall.


[#] Sun Dec 29 2013 09:30:59 EST from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

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I have to disagree as well. The evolution of window management took a long time but both the Windows and Linux worlds eventually settled on the taskbar style desktop as the optimal configuration for a computer with a keyboard, mouse, and upright display. Forcing users into a UI designed for a handheld device with a touchscreen is a jarring and unpleasant experience.

Even if one manages to avoid Windows 8, there are still elements of this design failure in other places, such as Office. On the occasions where I use these applications, I find it *extremely* unpleasant, for example, to click the File menu and instead of getting the file menu, a gigantic tile slides in from the left and occupies a third of the screen.

Bottom line: touch optimized UI looks and works badly on non touch devices.

[#] Sun Dec 29 2013 12:50:06 EST from Sig @ Uncensored

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A good point re alt Win inyerfaces; I am disturbingly behind current state of the art on that side. Otherr thasn setting XP in classic interface mode, I've never really looked into many options, which are unavailable at work anyway.

[#] Sun Dec 29 2013 17:33:08 EST from vince-q @ Cascade Lodge BBS

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Dec 29 2013 6:30am from IGnatius T Foobar @uncnsrd (Uncensored)
I have to disagree as well. The evolution of window management took a

long time but both the Windows and Linux worlds eventually settled on

the taskbar style desktop as the optimal configuration for a computer

with a keyboard, mouse, and upright display. Forcing users into a UI

designed for a handheld device with a touchscreen is a jarring and
unpleasant experience.


To the best of my knowledge, Win8 and 8.1 both have a "Desktop" tile on the tiles screen. Clicking on that gives you a much more "traditional" Windows presentation. Taskbar and all - and even a Start Menu (either from MicroSlop or any number of free third-party start menus - and talk is that 8.2 will see the return of the Win7-style Start Menu).

It is even possible to configure Win8 to boot directly to the desktop and skip the "tile screen" (Metro Interface as some call it) entirely.

And there is simply no escaping the fact that Win8 is - again in *my* experience - leaps & bounds *faster* than any other Micr$lop Windows implementation to date.

For the record: I am by no means a Microsoft apologist or advocate. Whenever possible I "push" friends into linux as quickly as possible. Whatever "good" one thinks one perceives in Micro$lop WinBlows, linux is always better. Just as easy to use, infnitely more configurable, and truly open source. On those points, the Redmond folk don't even come close.

They almost, in fact, did manage to redeem themselves, but then decided not to follow through on the alleged intention of releasing the source code for Windows 98 Second Edition. It would have been lots of fun to "massage" that into a real operating system. But then why bother? Just run your favorite "flavor" of linux and if you have "certain software packages" for which there is no option other than WinBlows, just install WINE and be done with it. Or run your favorite WinBlows on a VirtualBox inside of linux (which handles Virtual Boxen INFINITELY better than WinBlows ever has or will).

--K2NE

[#] Sun Dec 29 2013 22:07:43 EST from ax25 @ Uncensored

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WTYet-qf1jo

My favorite Windows 8 review ever...



[#] Mon Dec 30 2013 07:59:13 EST from fleeb @ Uncensored

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That's an excellent synapses to how Win8 sucks.



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