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[#] Sat Oct 19 2013 16:27:47 EDT from dothebart @ Uncensored

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Sat Oct 19 2013 09:47:10 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored
Hey hey, none of this software development CitaDrift now, we were talking about how badly PowerShell sucks as both a command interpreter and as a scripting language.

The point here is that with so many existing solutions available (some of them their own!!) there was no need to create yet another new monstrosity.
But that's exactly what they did.

And it's so bloated that it can take ten seconds or more to even load when you click on the button. It's probably initializing zillions of additional bloated subsystems and object frameworks every time you fire it up.

hm, when did you last find a 'hello world' in java launch quick? why should starting an interpreter be fast? you're intended to run them for ages anyways.



[#] Sat Oct 19 2013 18:01:23 EDT from ax25 @ Uncensored

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I love how easy it is to call another powershell script in your own powershell script (oh, wait... I must be thinking of some other shell, as it is not easy in powershell from what I have found so far).



[#] Sat Oct 19 2013 20:02:40 EDT from fleeb @ Uncensored

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Honestly, I don't use PowerShell. I still use the old batch file thing that Windows has had since day one. It sucks balls, and creates a really arcane looking script, but I have some familiarity with it.

Plus, I know it's on every Windows machine. It is to Windows what bash is to unix-like systems. Except, like most things Microsoft, it is nowhere near as good.

[#] Sun Oct 20 2013 23:47:03 EDT from ax25 @ Uncensored

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Sat Oct 19 2013 08:02:40 PM EDT from fleeb @ Uncensored

Honestly, I don't use PowerShell. I still use the old batch file thing that Windows has had since day one. It sucks balls, and creates a really arcane looking script, but I have some familiarity with it.

Plus, I know it's on every Windows machine. It is to Windows what bash is to unix-like systems. Except, like most things Microsoft, it is nowhere near as good.

I agree.  No argument here.  Just saying that they are trying to force it on you to administer the newer versions of Exchange or any of the online offerings they do as of late is a too little, too late (and badly done) sort of play catch up - disaster.



[#] Sun Oct 20 2013 23:48:28 EDT from ax25 @ Uncensored

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Interesting.  Watching someone use Webcit on a Surface RT.  Of course this applies to any website with any sort of interactivity and the Surface RT.  I think I can suggest IMAP or some other sort of way to go about email.  I personally like not having to wipe my finger across the screen to accomplish some computer interaction (like I was flinging a booger), but that is just me.

Not that anyone here knows (someone) inflicted with a Surface RT... but if they do, could they suggest a good mail program for that P.O.S. for me?



[#] Mon Oct 21 2013 03:16:48 EDT from dothebart @ Uncensored

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Sun Oct 20 2013 23:47:03 EDT from ax25 @ Uncensored
Sat Oct 19 2013 08:02:40 PM EDT from fleeb @ Uncensored

Honestly, I don't use PowerShell. I still use the old batch file thing that Windows has had since day one. It sucks balls, and creates a really arcane looking script, but I have some familiarity with it.

Plus, I know it's on every Windows machine. It is to Windows what bash is to unix-like systems. Except, like most things Microsoft, it is nowhere near as good.

I agree.  No argument here.  Just saying that they are trying to force it on you to administer the newer versions of Exchange or any of the online offerings they do as of late is a too little, too late (and badly done) sort of play catch up - disaster.

hm, the more they force it down the throat of admins, the more they are likely to search for alternatives.

Once you leave the compfort zone of user administration, you are welcomed to the commandline as well (at least it was like that in sbs 2k3)



[#] Mon Oct 21 2013 18:26:26 EDT from Ladyhawke @ Uncensored

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Sun Oct 20 2013 11:48:28 PM EDT from ax25 @ Uncensored

I personally like not having to wipe my finger across the screen to accomplish some computer interaction (like I was flinging a booger), but that is just me.

How many boogers could a finger fling if a finger could fling boogers?



[#] Mon Oct 21 2013 22:51:57 EDT from Sig @ Uncensored

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Once you're already used to the idea of doing useful things from a command line, it makes a hell of a lot of sense to start using tools that were built on that paradigm from the ground up.

[#] Mon Oct 21 2013 23:50:30 EDT from ax25 @ Uncensored

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Mon Oct 21 2013 10:51:57 PM EDT from Sig @ Uncensored
Once you're already used to the idea of doing useful things from a command line, it makes a hell of a lot of sense to start using tools that were built on that paradigm from the ground up.

Exactly.  They could have had something there, but instead, they pulled the NIH - not invented here move.



[#] Sat Oct 26 2013 19:09:05 EDT from Sig @ Uncensored

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Hilariously, the version of Internet Explorer that comes with Windows XP SP2 is too old to interface with Windows Update. If you don't turn on the automatic updates, you're just out of luck. Unless you can make it manually download SP3 or already have it lying around, of course.

The problem with auto-updates is that it doesn't do things intelligently, like push SP3 and THEN see what critical updates are necessary.

[#] Sat Oct 26 2013 19:27:13 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

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I tried to get something done with PowerShell today.  I can't believe some of the stupid things it does.

For example, a command like

foo

which might produce no output, will behave differently if you do

foo | bar

The data sent to "bar" is completely different from the complete-lack-of-output of "foo" run by itself.

PowerShell breaks fundamental rules of shells.  Typical Microsoft thinking.



[#] Sat Oct 26 2013 23:00:00 EDT from Sig @ Uncensored

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Oct 26 2013 7:09pm from Sig @uncnsrd
Hilariously, the version of Internet Explorer that comes with Windows

XP SP2 is too old to interface with Windows Update. If you don't turn

on the automatic updates, you're just out of luck. Unless you can make

it manually download SP3 or already have it lying around, of course.

The problem with auto-updates is that it doesn't do things
intelligently, like push SP3 and THEN see what critical updates are
necessary.

Actually, even with SP3, turning on auto updates gives a cool glitch where svchost.exe starts up and takes 99% of my processor. For now, I have updates turned off. I see lots of people on the intarwebs with the same problem, but no one with a solution.

However, I did get accomplished the task I needed, which was to get my Windows-only Army tasks do-able via virtualbox.

[#] Sun Oct 27 2013 15:37:16 EDT from zooer @ Uncensored

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Crap, this means I have a lot of stuff to do next time I fire up my windows virtual machine... which I hope I do
before WinXP reaches EOL.

[#] Fri Nov 08 2013 12:34:45 EST from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

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This sounds like desparation to me.

[ http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/11/08/microsoft_bizarre_inori_ie_campaign/ ]

In order to try to make Internet Exploder look hip and trendy, an Asian branch of Microsoft has created a japanimation (remember it's not called "anime" anymore) anthropomorphization of their browser named "Inori Aizawa" ... complete with the obligatory slutty attire. "I feel confident in my abilities now, and I'm eager to show you what I can do. Why don't you get to know me a little better?"

Meanwhile, aIEeeee usage continues to plummet around the world...

[#] Tue Nov 12 2013 13:26:32 EST from Ladyhawke @ Uncensored

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Rule #1.  And #2.  Definitely #3.  

Ah, to hell with it.  Let's just call Rule #4 and be done with it.



[#] Sat Nov 23 2013 05:24:47 EST from dothebart @ Uncensored

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lol. write something about limux and the microsoft astroturfers reach out for you:

http://www.techrepublic.com/article/how-munich-rejected-steve-ballmer-and-kicked-microsoft-out-of-the-city/

read the article, and see how they repeat the false assumptions of the microsoft paid HP study  over and over in the comments..



[#] Sat Nov 23 2013 07:01:26 EST from the_mgt @ Uncensored

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report criticising the project, produced by HP for Microsoft, claimed the Redmond software giant could migrate 50 to 500 desktop PCs per day if upgrading to a Microsoft OS and office, suite compared to the eight per day it said was being achieved under the LiMux project.

50 to 500...



[#] Sun Nov 24 2013 13:28:46 EST from dothebart @ Uncensored

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Sat Nov 23 2013 07:01:26 EST from the_mgt @ Uncensored

report criticising the project, produced by HP for Microsoft, claimed the Redmond software giant could migrate 50 to 500 desktop PCs per day if upgrading to a Microsoft OS and office, suite compared to the eight per day it said was being achieved under the LiMux project.

50 to 500...

heh, yes.  if the 50 to 500 boxes of exactly the same rather modern hardware

and not with the zoo of hardware the guys in munich had...

but thats also there in the article...



[#] Mon Nov 25 2013 04:53:05 EST from the_mgt @ Uncensored

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I also doubt that they will be properly set up with all site specific software, email accounts, logons to umpteen services, etc. Even if you use prepared images to roll out and most of the data would be handled/stored by active directory.

Well, depends, if all of redmond flew in and two persons would take care of one computer at a time, 50 to 500 might be possible...



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