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[#] Mon Jul 15 2013 16:50:10 EDT from fleeb @ Uncensored

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Heh.. peek/poke... fun times on the TRS-80.

CP/M was great fun, too. Pity MS-DOS ripped their ideas.

[#] Mon Jul 15 2013 18:34:44 EDT from LoanShark @ Uncensored

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That's nothing. In my day, we had to program by singing our code onto the tape-drive.

[#] Mon Jul 15 2013 21:27:51 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

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Oh what I would have given to have had a microphone to sing into the tape drive. I had to write to tape with a magnetized needle.

[#] Tue Jul 16 2013 07:16:42 EDT from zooer @ Uncensored

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magnetic tape? I had to use paper tape with holes punched in it.

[#] Tue Jul 16 2013 09:03:44 EDT from fleeb @ Uncensored

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I needed to scratch the holes into the deck of cards using a pen knife, carry the whole load to the computer without dropping any of them, and feed the cards one by one like you're feeding a baby.

The results would show up in a series of lamps representing the binary result we had to interpret. And if any of the lamps burned out without our noticing it, we'd have to do the whole thing again to get the right results.

[#] Tue Jul 16 2013 11:46:25 EDT from triLcat @ Uncensored

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lightweights. we didn't have lights. I had to use an abacus.


[#] Tue Jul 16 2013 11:48:21 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

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You had an abacus? Really? We had to do nuclear simulations in our heads.

[#] Tue Jul 16 2013 13:06:37 EDT from vince-q @ Uncensored

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Nothing compares with doing tensor calculus in your head.
Just ask Steven Hawking!

[#] Tue Jul 16 2013 19:46:49 EDT from Sig @ Uncensored

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We had to use Windows 3.1.

[#] Tue Jul 16 2013 21:07:55 EDT from fleeb @ Uncensored

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That should kill the conversation.

[#] Tue Jul 16 2013 21:30:13 EDT from zooer @ Uncensored

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Was Windows 3.1 that bad? I was using MSDOS until W2K.

[#] Tue Jul 16 2013 22:47:20 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

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Windows 3.1 was *colossally* bad. Pretty much everything else out there was far superior, but M$ had already learned how to leverage every dirty trick in the book to make it ubiquitous.

[#] Wed Jul 17 2013 00:16:01 EDT from Sig @ Uncensored

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During that era, I mostly just played games and called BBSes, and that
was all done via DOS anyway, but I had to help Mom install stuff from
time to time in Windows.

Mom bought (through work) the first "Office" version where MS bundled
Word and Excel, etcetera. We'd just upgraded with a multimedia kit:
16-bit sound card and 4x CD-ROM drive, so I was all ready to pop in the
disc--but Mom bought the 3.5" floppy version. 22 of them, to be

Disk 18 was corrupt. [Insert easy joke here about how the entire
enterprise and everything they've ever touched is corrupt. OK, yes, we
get it.]

In fairness, their tech support was cool and I had a new set of floppies
in the mail two days later.

[#] Wed Jul 17 2013 13:59:13 EDT from fleeb @ Uncensored

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I'm starting to forget...

There's Windows for Workstations, the shell around MS-DOS. I can't recall the official version for that.

Then there's Windows 3.(something? 5?) that was Windows NT with the Windows for Workstation appearance. It was really, really weird.

[#] Wed Jul 17 2013 14:03:55 EDT from fleeb @ Uncensored

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Wikipedia says the 16-bit abomination was Windows 3.1 and 3.11.

There was also a 3.2, oddly, but I never saw it.

And, just to keep things confusing, there was a Windows NT 3.1, which is what I was thinking about. No wonder I had trouble remembering this. There were also 3.5 and 3.51 versions of this as well. I remember working with one of these.

So, I've worked with the 16-bit shell Windows, and the look-a-like NT version.

[#] Wed Jul 17 2013 15:05:56 EDT from LoanShark @ Uncensored

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Windows for Workgroups is what you're thinking of. That was version 3.11. It differed from 3.1 only in improved networking support (it could act as a lightweight file/print sharing server) and may have been the first version with virtual memory as well.

All of the Windows NT 3.x versions looked a lot like Windows 3.x, with the same Program Manager / File Manager interface dynamic duo. (Heh.) Of course NT had all the additional NT tools we've come to know and hate, like the "Administrative Tools / Services" ...

[#] Wed Jul 17 2013 15:07:16 EDT from LoanShark @ Uncensored

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Oh, it wasn't the first version with virtual memory, I guess, but it was the first version to *require* a 386, says the Wiki.

[#] Wed Jul 17 2013 16:21:49 EDT from zooer @ Uncensored

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Nothing about Windows94? Apparently it was too buggy even for Microsoft.

[#] Wed Jul 17 2013 16:29:47 EDT from zooer @ Uncensored

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I wish I could find or remember the old saying about Windows 95.

'Windows 95 is a 16 bit graphical user interface based on an 8 bit operating system that was hacked from 4 bit
code by a 2 bit company that doesn't give 1 bit about their customers.'

That is close.

[#] Wed Jul 17 2013 16:32:55 EDT from zooer @ Uncensored

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Found it: (buried in a google search when I finally used the correct terms)

Windows 95: n.
32 bit extensions and a graphical shell for a 16 bit patch to an 8 bit operating system originally coded for a
4 bit microprocessor, written by a 2 bit company, that can't stand 1 bit of competition.

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