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[#] Mon Feb 25 2013 07:37:56 EST from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

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For which version?  'doze 95?  If I remember correctly that's the one that had "The Microsoft Sound" as the startup.



[#] Mon Feb 25 2013 08:04:00 EST from zooer @ Uncensored

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Yup, the original Microsoft sound.

[#] Mon Feb 25 2013 11:35:52 EST from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

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Maybe they should spend less time on sound and more time building stuff that works.

Kind of like the Azure cloud, which doesn't: [ http://tinyurl.com/abyjkbj ]

[#] Tue Feb 26 2013 00:30:15 EST from the8088er @ Uncensored

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The NT5 sound was the best.

I feel like they changed it before releasing NT5 as Windows 2000 (the BEST Windows version EVER) because it was too scary.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qc3CpwkjLWA

[#] Tue Feb 26 2013 03:46:32 EST from generica @ Uncensored

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Windows 2000 served me well until around 2005 or so, when I switched to BSD full time.

[#] Tue Feb 26 2013 12:41:40 EST from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

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I now understand why many of those who still live in darkness think that Outlook is "the best email client" out there. The reason is that they're using Exchange server. The more I deal with recent versions of Exchange server, the more I am discovering that its support for standards based protocols and data formats is so breathtakingly poor that only by using Microsoft's crappy proprietary protocols can everything be made to work without breaking.

When you take Exchange server out of the mix, Outlook begins to look like the badly built, second-rate client that it actually is.

[#] Tue Feb 26 2013 13:55:52 EST from zooer @ Uncensored

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Good to see other fans of W2K, I was saddened when support was discontinued. Still have it on my laptop I
think, but I don't boot to the windows side.

[#] Sun Mar 03 2013 04:57:47 EST from generica @ Uncensored

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Yeah, it was the perfect of balance of "GUI with minimal crap" and "stable and fast". Great server, GREAT workstation OS.

[#] Mon Mar 04 2013 19:06:11 EST from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

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Actually the best Windows ever was Windows NT 3.51 -- it still followed Dave Cutler's design fairly tightly; the Redmondites hadn't larded it up with crap yet. But the best Microsoft operating system ever was Xenix.

[#] Tue Mar 05 2013 06:30:16 EST from fleeb @ Uncensored

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Yeah, Xenix really was a very nice OS.

[#] Tue Mar 05 2013 07:58:59 EST from dothebart @ Uncensored

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[#] Tue Mar 05 2013 11:10:35 EST from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

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I think I've touched on this before ... if Microsoft had stuck with their original plans (documented during the days of MS-DOS 2.X) to make Xenix their flagship operating system ... and then built Presentation Manager on top of Xenix ... Linux and BSD might never have come into existence, and Microsoft would have taken over the Unix space with very little effort.

[#] Tue Mar 05 2013 11:51:34 EST from Campagnolo @ Dog Pound BBS II

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Mon Mar 04 2013 19:06:11 EST from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored
Actually the best Windows ever was Windows NT 3.51 -- it still followed Dave Cutler's design fairly tightly; the Redmondites hadn't larded it up with crap yet. But the best Microsoft operating system ever was Xenix.

Don't forget OS/2... You remember, the OS MS and IBM were working on together as a replacement for NT. Oh wait... never mind... back to your regularly scheduled MS bashing!



[#] Tue Mar 05 2013 12:19:09 EST from dothebart @ Uncensored

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Tue Mar 05 2013 11:51:34 EST from Campagnolo @ Dog Pound BBS II

 

Mon Mar 04 2013 19:06:11 EST from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored
Actually the best Windows ever was Windows NT 3.51 -- it still followed Dave Cutler's design fairly tightly; the Redmondites hadn't larded it up with crap yet. But the best Microsoft operating system ever was Xenix.

Don't forget OS/2... You remember, the OS MS and IBM were working on together as a replacement for NT. Oh wait... never mind... back to your regularly scheduled MS bashing!



Not all correct.

MS + IBM were developing OS/2; and at some point in time they hired the VMS-Crew and ditched the os/2 to start out on Windows NT.



[#] Tue Mar 05 2013 13:26:54 EST from dothebart @ Uncensored

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"microsoft technet toolbox" aka "private cloud" CD in the current german linux mag.

the new aol?



[#] Tue Mar 05 2013 14:15:54 EST from zooer @ Uncensored

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I remember reading that OS/2's catch phrase was Microsoft N.T.? Microsoft No. Thanks.
I was suprised that when I worked for a TV station the original newsroom software they used ran on OS/2.
There was a OS/2 error dump on the printer one day and listed was the software version number.

[#] Tue Mar 05 2013 14:26:10 EST from the_mgt @ Uncensored

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The latest rumors I heard is that MS is dropping backward compatibility to the old .doc and .xls files. I wonder if they offer some automagic conversion tool. And how much that one will actually really convert correctly....

The thing they are going to shoot their own foot nuke their own bodies with is this annual fee for an office product. As somebody here said, if you own Office 2003, he could still run it on Win7. And it works fine, installed it at a clients site without any noticable problem. I know that other clients had to drop their Office XP when they migrated to Win7 last year. Now, for home users, the fee of ~100€ for a triple license of Word/Powerpoint/Excel is not bad, but I agree that it is probably a waste since you could get a free complete Libre/openOffice Suite. And/Or the PPViewer for free.

The problem why people are not switching, at least in small businesses is: others are not switching either. So you get the odd .doc file which looks messed up in your free Office suite. Instead of saying "Sorry, could you please send us a PDF?" they whine about the bad free software. Another problem seem to be Excel files. Recently at a client site the new professional accounting lady called OpenOffice "Mickey Mouse Office" and she couldn't work with it because she is doing "complicated things with excel"....

My guess is she was just to lazy and too old to switch concepts. I bet I am doing more complicated things with LibreCalc when I really need to use it. Basic accounting like she does only needs basic excel funtioncs, she is not doing fluid physics or the likes. Anyway, I installed her the 2010 suite, so now all employes enjoy the ribbons.

Honestly, the transition from WinXP with Office 2003 to Win7 with Office 2007 is as smooth as installing KDE and Openoffice. My parents are probably not getting a Windows again and they probably won't even notice until my brother tells them. If that happens, they will know they got something inferior, I guess. The mom of my girlfriend could do completely without MS et al., but her husband would probably rant all over the place and so I will be given names. The world would be easier without all those "I need Photoshop in order to deal with my private pictures" people.



[#] Tue Mar 05 2013 23:05:16 EST from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

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I can't imagine they'd drop support for *reading* the old .doc and .xls formats.
It might make sense that they refuse to *write* them, thereby trying to force more people to upgrade.

The thing is, forcing everyone to upgrade isn't without problems of its own.
The newest Micro$oft Orifice versions can read ODF well enough that lately I've just been sending out ODF files and expecting people to be able to read them.

[#] Wed Mar 06 2013 15:29:30 EST from the_mgt @ Uncensored

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Seems it was just rumours. Anyway, good to hear that they support reading ODF, but I send only PDFs nowadays. Because the pdf button is just so comfy in LibreOffice or because longer texts were written in Lyx. (I am just too lazy to convert my letter templates to LaTex.)



[#] Wed Mar 06 2013 15:55:20 EST from triLcat @ Uncensored

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I think it depends on your particular job and your industry. 

I still receive enough important files that look off in OO, particularly because there are issues with RtL support that it's worthwhile for me to have MS Office on my computer. 

(oh yeah, living in a country with RtL language makes a difference too)



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