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[#] Fri Oct 26 2012 12:30:11 EDT from Ragnar Danneskjold @ Uncensored

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It's horrific.

[#] Fri Oct 26 2012 16:07:32 EDT from Shazam @ Uncensored

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What if people like windows 8? Then MS will quickly make a Windows 9, of course.

[#] Sat Oct 27 2012 17:58:16 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

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There is a very easy way for Google to throw a stick into the spokes of Windoze 8. All they have to do is offer a plugin for Chrome (on all three major desktop architectures) that will allow it to run the full catalog of Android apps.

They have a stated intention of eventually merging Android and Chrome OS.
As we continue into the Post PC Era, the value prop of Android continues to improve. One week into my ownership of a Transformer, I can definitely say I don't miss my laptop. As I've been pointing out for the last fifteen years, the faster we can move everything back behind the glass, the better it will be for everyone except Microsoft. Consumers will get their computer service from the service provider of their choice. Corporate users will get their computer service from their own data center (or an outsourced one).
Hacker techie types will get their computer service from the Linux box in their basement. All of the above users will access their apps and data in any location, from any device.

Someday I will be arrested for urinating on the grave of Bill Gates. But I don't care. It must happen.

[#] Mon Oct 29 2012 13:08:05 EDT from Ragnar Danneskjold @ Uncensored

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You claim you want everything behind the glass, but what happens when you're provider starts screwing with you? Just move providers? Good luck moving terabytes of data... It's not bad for Microsoft, it's bad for end users.

The Post PC era is about accessing data from anywhere with anything. That includes the data that sits on any devices as well.

Don't lessen the importance of data, and thinking of it as an amorphous blob.

[#] Mon Oct 29 2012 13:21:17 EDT from Ragnar Danneskjold @ Uncensored

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I don't remember which room I read it - about software not having value...

Couldn't disagree more. In a free market, people have the ability to charge for a product, whatever the market will support. FOSS software provides a different type of value to an end user. Nothing wrong with either model.

As for the Adobe PDF bashing - it shows limited thinking of what a PDF is.

Just using the printer driver is cheap and easy - and yes lots of people get that for free in Linux and OSX... But that's not what makes Adobe's program valuable.

It's about searchability (the printer driver doesn't handle the OCR portions), searchability, metadata, security (easy to do certificate based signatures), size of files (it's excellent at size reduction for email purposes), creating forms, editing PDF's, merging multiple PDF's, document reviews and approvals, etc.

[#] Mon Oct 29 2012 13:39:15 EDT from Ragnar Danneskjold @ Uncensored

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"Microsoft CEO Steve Ballmer undoubtedly knows that Apple has sold more
than 100 million iPad tablets at this point, but according to the
outspoken executive, that's not the tablet people really want. While
speaking with CNBC, Ballmer said no company has built a tablet he
believes customers want. 'You can go through the products from all those
guys and none of them has a product that you can really use. Not Apple.
Not Google. Not Amazon. Nobody has a product that lets you work and play
that can be your tablet and your PC. Not at any price point,' he says."

Sad, Even after all this time, Microsoft STILL doesn't get it.

It's not about a tablet that works like your PC.....

[#] Mon Oct 29 2012 18:43:43 EDT from dothebart @ Uncensored

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hm. vista fon 8 knows rooms?

[#] Thu Nov 01 2012 02:57:40 EDT from triLcat @ Uncensored

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There is value in complete compatibility - if you know how to do something on your PC, you know how to do it on your tab. I like the idea. 


[#] Fri Nov 02 2012 07:34:43 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

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But no one will know how to do something on their PC anymore because they broke the entire user interface.

[#] Sat Nov 03 2012 00:21:07 EDT from Ladyhawke @ Uncensored

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[#] Sat Nov 03 2012 14:16:57 EDT from asdfg @ Uncensored

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"They broke the entire user interface". Yes they did, but why? If they want to make Microsoft Tiles(tm) that's okay but why vandalize Windows?
Why try to deprecate the desktop and then pretend that a screen of garish tiles could be a suitable replacement? Its as if Steve Bummer says, "We don't care if the classic windowing interface is the current best tool for the job, we can't continue to milk it for enough cash so we are deprecating the son of a bitch."

[#] Mon Nov 05 2012 16:57:32 EST from the_mgt @ Uncensored

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Don't forget the target audience!

The usual suspect: Your Mom! She needs a browser and something to open those "if you care for kittens, send this to 10 beloved friends.pps" files. Maybe type a letter once in a decade. She does not really care about the userinterface and clicks what she was told to click. So some tiles on a front screen are good, she does not have to search for the "this opens the internet" icon. She probably gets the Win8 when she buys a new computer. Because she does not know about alternatives and doesn't want to pay for an OS, she uses win8. Or her son installs a stolen Win7. Anyway, she bought the win8.

The office jerk: Will still use XP or Vista until his company decides to finish the Win7 evaluation in 3 years. So no trouble here. The company might buy new computers with win8 OEM, but the admin will install XP because it is company policy.

The power user: Will only need to start games. Installs some modded skin and totally fubars his. Doesn't care if he buys win8 OEM, because he will install a stolen Ubar-Ultimate-unstable-release-candidate version.

Lesson learned: MS will still sell enough win8 to claim they have lots of innovative power and marketshare.

[#] Mon Nov 05 2012 18:24:08 EST from dothebart @ Uncensored

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fucking intuitive ui's

my mom had her tbird... complaining that it would take > 5 mins to get it started.

guess what?

the fucking beast had 30 tabs open with all sorts of emails, and it would re-open them on each start.

thanks to the intuitive UI you hardly see that these are tabs on first sight; with that many tabs it even didn't make sense to me on first sight.

[#] Tue Nov 06 2012 11:36:32 EST from the_mgt @ Uncensored

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Yeah, mozilla products and tabs are on the same league with MS products.

Especially the tbird sucks in all directions, reaching into hyperbolic realms.

[#] Wed Nov 07 2012 21:49:51 EST from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

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I'm struggling with Thunderbird right now as an Exchange client. The biggest problem is IMAP's *stooooopid* "expunge" semantics, a horrible kluge written by Marc Crispin to get around limitations of his implementation's data store and forced upon the rest of us forevermore. When a message is "marked as deleted" Thunderbird doesn't show it anymore, but other clients (webmail and mobile) still do. This drives me crazy.

And of course Exchange doesn't support DAV calendars.

[#] Sat Nov 10 2012 13:48:39 EST from dothebart @ Uncensored

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first time using windows 8 while drunk...

[#] Mon Nov 12 2012 22:21:28 EST from asdfg @ Uncensored

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"Windows Boss Steven Sinofsky Out at Microsoft"

Good. Maybe I'll get my damn start menu back after all.

[#] Tue Nov 13 2012 02:25:05 EST from dothebart @ Uncensored

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now just steve ballmer missing on that list ;-)

[#] Tue Nov 13 2012 09:27:39 EST from zooer @ Uncensored

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Good. Maybe I'll get my damn start menu back after all.

Your start menu is an option under the start menu. Right click it and you will see an option to be able to see it.

[#] Tue Nov 13 2012 20:44:37 EST from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

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Stop wishing for Ballmer to be out. We need him to continue screwing up Microsoft until they've fallen so far they're not a threat to anyone anymore.

And if Sinofsky is being set up as the scapegoat for the partial birth abortion known as Windoze 8, then at least we can hope they'll put the Start menu back where it belongs.

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