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[#] Thu Mar 01 2012 12:35:07 EST from ax25 @ Uncensored

Subject: Never an extra day.

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Microsoft 365, not 366!

Har, har, har.....

Gotta love the leap years.

[#] Wed Mar 07 2012 14:14:36 EST from asdfg @ Uncensored

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I recently installed the Windows 8 consumer preview and I hate the new look and feel of the Metro interface on desktop computers. And they deleted the start menu which I hate as well.

I don't hate Microsoft products usually but this thing is a nightmare.

[#] Wed Mar 07 2012 15:15:34 EST from dothebart @ Uncensored

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heh, that guy too:

astonishingly he seems to like the unity dekstop;

[#] Thu Mar 08 2012 11:23:57 EST from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

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Windoze 7 doesn't allow remote desktop to be enabled unless Windoze Firewall is also enabled.

There is NO WORKAROUND other than turning on Windoze Firewall and running it with an empty ruleset.

WTFWTFWTF?!? I've already got it behind a firewall and I know what I'm doing.

[#] Thu Mar 08 2012 17:07:41 EST from Spell Binder @ Uncensored

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Microsoft can be a pain in so many different ways.

Preface: Stick your "Use {Open|Libre|*}Office" or "Use Linux" comments somewhere else. This stemmed from a work issue and we use MS Office tools despite all else.

I had a spreadsheet with one column that had a list of text values that could be duplicated, e.g. "a, a, a, b, b, a, c, c, c, d, a." What I was trying to get was a count of values per value, i.e. "How many a's? How many b's? etc." Of course, MS Excel's built-in "help" is no help at all. Google gave me some MS web pages and some discussion forum answers involving a few different cell formulae copied in array-style, but those left with me with a lot of extraneous data that I didn't need.

Finally, I decide to read up about Pivot Tables. I had heard of them before, but never really used them--never had a need to. Insert -> Pivot Table, drag the column header I want into "Row Labels" and "Values" and...Voila! I've got what I needed.

Why? Oh, why couldn't there have been a help page somewhere that said, "Try using Pivot Tables, dummy!"

Stupid frakkin' MicroShit products.
Pivot Binder

[#] Thu Mar 08 2012 17:30:01 EST from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

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Preface: Stick your "Use {Open|Libre|*}Office" or "Use Linux" comments

somewhere else. This stemmed from a work issue and we use MS Office
tools despite all else.

Use Google Docs.

[#] Thu Mar 08 2012 18:06:14 EST from Spell Binder @ Uncensored

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Don't even. Heather's been using Google Docs recently and so far it seems to be entirely primitive by comparison to MS Office. Not that I'm a big fan of MS Office, but Google Docs has a long long way to go.

[#] Thu Mar 08 2012 18:15:00 EST from zooer @ Uncensored

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It has been a while since I used Google Docs and it was lacking in features.

[#] Thu Mar 08 2012 19:03:48 EST from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

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It has that one killer feature called "not from Microsoft" that is unbeatable.

[#] Thu Mar 08 2012 19:50:41 EST from zooer @ Uncensored

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That features also includes "Doesn't do half of what Office does."

[#] Thu Mar 08 2012 21:12:59 EST from fleeb @ Uncensored

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One thing it does, however, that Word won't do is collaberative editing.

My boss and I worked together on some copy for distribution to potential customers. Between the two of us, we can make some very professional-reading copy for advertising our product line.

We used a technique of Google chat (for audio), and Google Docs, to work together on the editing. We'd look over a sentence, read it aloud, then try out something else, making modifications to the document real-time. That might prompt another approach, etc., until we had the document with the maximum amount of punch possible. If one of us made a grammatical error while writing out an idea, the other would fix it real-time.

I've never had a more productive editing session. You had to see it to fully appreciate it.

[#] Thu Mar 08 2012 21:44:41 EST from zooer @ Uncensored

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How far away is your boss?

[#] Thu Mar 08 2012 23:55:31 EST from wizard of aahz @ Uncensored

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So write in google docs and copy to Word for formatting, etc???

[#] Fri Mar 09 2012 00:38:25 EST from Animal @ Uncensored

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Google Docs has its place, for sure.
Parting out my snowmobile right now, got a spreadsheet on GDocs of who
wants/bought what for how much. Nice to hit that link, at home or at
work, and have the latest-greatest copy right there.

As a replacement for an office suite? Not even close right now.

My biggest complaint with office is how the constantly move shit around.
Leave the fucking controls in one spot fer fucks sake!

[#] Fri Mar 09 2012 08:31:56 EST from fleeb @ Uncensored

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We're an hour's drive away from each other most of the time.

And he took our collaberated writing and repasted it into another tool for distribution, so yeah, we don't use it as a proper word processor. I've found that I cannot get the documents it generates to work properly with my printer for some reason.

[#] Fri Mar 09 2012 13:54:29 EST from Spell Binder @ Uncensored

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Some of the issues my wife ran into was lack of cut-and-paste between applications, and the need to enter unintuitive commands. Given a spreadsheet in Google Docs, it's apparently not possible to select a series of cells and then cut-and-paste them to another application--be that another spreadsheet program, a word processor, or even another browser window. We're using Chrome, too, so it was even more frustrating to not be able to cut-and-paste from a Google Docs spreadsheet in one window to Gmail in another window. Even in Gmail, cutting-and-pasting from a local word processor into a Gmail Chrome window didn't work either.
I could understand if it didn't preserve formatting or pictures, but nothing pasted at all.

I'm sure if we dug around some more, we may have found an alternate solution, but we were working towards a deadline, so we didn't have time to go researching on the web.

I really would love to be able to use Google Docs for all my office-related work. When something simple like cut-and-paste doesn't work, though, it really makes me wonder what other simple functions aren't working right.
Google Binder

[#] Fri Mar 09 2012 18:59:24 EST from fleeb @ Uncensored

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Well, cut-n-paste isn't simple if you're working with a browser; when are you clipping mere web-page related stuff, and when are you actually getting the kind of data you want?

But then, I don't know how fancy web pages can be these days.

Still, I can see where it can be frustrating if you're working across applications like that.

[#] Mon Mar 12 2012 00:16:22 EDT from triLcat @ Uncensored

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In my work, we use Google docs for anything collaborative, but the spell check/grammar check in MS-Word is still far superior. 

I used OO for a long time, but when I start this job, it just didn't quite cut it - I had issues with the track changes, for example.

And I think MS isn't nearly as evil as Apple. 


[#] Mon Mar 12 2012 02:13:35 EDT from dothebart @ Uncensored

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well, yes, MS is not remotely as bad as they used to be.

same accounts for ibm.

and yes, the apple monarchy is pretty bad. though it has to prove whether the new king is going to keep it up like that, or whether their kingdom fails soon.

[#] Mon Mar 12 2012 10:05:07 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

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One feature that Google Docs also has is "not made by Microsoft."

Made-by-Microsoft is a showstopper. If you're going to have resolve, you've got to stick with it.

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