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[#] Thu Mar 08 2012 11:23:57 EST from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

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Windoze 7 doesn't allow remote desktop to be enabled unless Windoze Firewall is also enabled.

There is NO WORKAROUND other than turning on Windoze Firewall and running it with an empty ruleset.

WTFWTFWTF?!? I've already got it behind a firewall and I know what I'm doing.

[#] Thu Mar 08 2012 17:07:41 EST from Spell Binder @ Uncensored

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Microsoft can be a pain in so many different ways.

Preface: Stick your "Use {Open|Libre|*}Office" or "Use Linux" comments somewhere else. This stemmed from a work issue and we use MS Office tools despite all else.

I had a spreadsheet with one column that had a list of text values that could be duplicated, e.g. "a, a, a, b, b, a, c, c, c, d, a." What I was trying to get was a count of values per value, i.e. "How many a's? How many b's? etc." Of course, MS Excel's built-in "help" is no help at all. Google gave me some MS web pages and some discussion forum answers involving a few different cell formulae copied in array-style, but those left with me with a lot of extraneous data that I didn't need.

Finally, I decide to read up about Pivot Tables. I had heard of them before, but never really used them--never had a need to. Insert -> Pivot Table, drag the column header I want into "Row Labels" and "Values" and...Voila! I've got what I needed.

Why? Oh, why couldn't there have been a help page somewhere that said, "Try using Pivot Tables, dummy!"

Stupid frakkin' MicroShit products.
Pivot Binder

[#] Thu Mar 08 2012 17:30:01 EST from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

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Preface: Stick your "Use {Open|Libre|*}Office" or "Use Linux" comments

somewhere else. This stemmed from a work issue and we use MS Office
tools despite all else.

Use Google Docs.

[#] Thu Mar 08 2012 18:06:14 EST from Spell Binder @ Uncensored

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Don't even. Heather's been using Google Docs recently and so far it seems to be entirely primitive by comparison to MS Office. Not that I'm a big fan of MS Office, but Google Docs has a long long way to go.

[#] Thu Mar 08 2012 18:15:00 EST from zooer @ Uncensored

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It has been a while since I used Google Docs and it was lacking in features.

[#] Thu Mar 08 2012 19:03:48 EST from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

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It has that one killer feature called "not from Microsoft" that is unbeatable.

[#] Thu Mar 08 2012 19:50:41 EST from zooer @ Uncensored

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That features also includes "Doesn't do half of what Office does."

[#] Thu Mar 08 2012 21:12:59 EST from fleeb @ Uncensored

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One thing it does, however, that Word won't do is collaberative editing.

My boss and I worked together on some copy for distribution to potential customers. Between the two of us, we can make some very professional-reading copy for advertising our product line.

We used a technique of Google chat (for audio), and Google Docs, to work together on the editing. We'd look over a sentence, read it aloud, then try out something else, making modifications to the document real-time. That might prompt another approach, etc., until we had the document with the maximum amount of punch possible. If one of us made a grammatical error while writing out an idea, the other would fix it real-time.

I've never had a more productive editing session. You had to see it to fully appreciate it.

[#] Thu Mar 08 2012 21:44:41 EST from zooer @ Uncensored

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How far away is your boss?

[#] Thu Mar 08 2012 23:55:31 EST from wizard of aahz @ Uncensored

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So write in google docs and copy to Word for formatting, etc???

[#] Fri Mar 09 2012 00:38:25 EST from Animal @ Uncensored

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Google Docs has its place, for sure.
Parting out my snowmobile right now, got a spreadsheet on GDocs of who
wants/bought what for how much. Nice to hit that link, at home or at
work, and have the latest-greatest copy right there.

As a replacement for an office suite? Not even close right now.

My biggest complaint with office is how the constantly move shit around.
Leave the fucking controls in one spot fer fucks sake!

[#] Fri Mar 09 2012 08:31:56 EST from fleeb @ Uncensored

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We're an hour's drive away from each other most of the time.

And he took our collaberated writing and repasted it into another tool for distribution, so yeah, we don't use it as a proper word processor. I've found that I cannot get the documents it generates to work properly with my printer for some reason.

[#] Fri Mar 09 2012 13:54:29 EST from Spell Binder @ Uncensored

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Some of the issues my wife ran into was lack of cut-and-paste between applications, and the need to enter unintuitive commands. Given a spreadsheet in Google Docs, it's apparently not possible to select a series of cells and then cut-and-paste them to another application--be that another spreadsheet program, a word processor, or even another browser window. We're using Chrome, too, so it was even more frustrating to not be able to cut-and-paste from a Google Docs spreadsheet in one window to Gmail in another window. Even in Gmail, cutting-and-pasting from a local word processor into a Gmail Chrome window didn't work either.
I could understand if it didn't preserve formatting or pictures, but nothing pasted at all.

I'm sure if we dug around some more, we may have found an alternate solution, but we were working towards a deadline, so we didn't have time to go researching on the web.

I really would love to be able to use Google Docs for all my office-related work. When something simple like cut-and-paste doesn't work, though, it really makes me wonder what other simple functions aren't working right.
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[#] Fri Mar 09 2012 18:59:24 EST from fleeb @ Uncensored

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Well, cut-n-paste isn't simple if you're working with a browser; when are you clipping mere web-page related stuff, and when are you actually getting the kind of data you want?

But then, I don't know how fancy web pages can be these days.

Still, I can see where it can be frustrating if you're working across applications like that.

[#] Mon Mar 12 2012 00:16:22 EDT from triLcat @ Uncensored

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In my work, we use Google docs for anything collaborative, but the spell check/grammar check in MS-Word is still far superior. 

I used OO for a long time, but when I start this job, it just didn't quite cut it - I had issues with the track changes, for example.

And I think MS isn't nearly as evil as Apple. 


[#] Mon Mar 12 2012 02:13:35 EDT from dothebart @ Uncensored

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well, yes, MS is not remotely as bad as they used to be.

same accounts for ibm.

and yes, the apple monarchy is pretty bad. though it has to prove whether the new king is going to keep it up like that, or whether their kingdom fails soon.

[#] Mon Mar 12 2012 10:05:07 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

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One feature that Google Docs also has is "not made by Microsoft."

Made-by-Microsoft is a showstopper. If you're going to have resolve, you've got to stick with it.

[#] Mon Mar 12 2012 18:40:51 EDT from Spell Binder @ Uncensored

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IG: So much for right tool for the job, eh? :P

fleeb: I do agree with you about cut-and-paste not being so simple when it's in a browser window. It does make me wonder, though, how, or even if, Google solved this issue in Chrome OS.

To get somewhat back on-topic, though...Today I had to pull a mess of data from a web application we use for test tracking, and import it into an Excel spreadsheet. I noticed that Excel has a button to import data from a web page. I thought, "Great! This will save me some time." Of course, that opens up the web page in an embedded Internet Exploder window and our test-tracking web app doesn't work in IE!

[#] Tue Mar 13 2012 12:36:54 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

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If a Microsoft product seems like the right tool for the job, you're doing the wrong job. It really is that simple.

Cut and paste *can* work with a browser window but it's dicey at best. Good web apps will offer you the ability to "download as CSV" or whatever format is appropriate for the data in question.

[#] Tue Mar 27 2012 14:28:55 EDT from the_mgt @ Uncensored

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This lack of any working copy&paste in google docs is among the biggest showstoppers. The overall crappyness of userexperience and the fact that it  comes from google forcing you to use their SSO login on any google affiliated service is what makes me only use it in porn/privacymode of firefox.

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