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[#] Sun Jul 17 2011 15:03:41 EDT from Ladyhawke @ Uncensored

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On the other hand, maybe they are learning....

http://www.businessinsider.com/is-microsoft-about-to-drop-windows-2011-7



[#] Sun Jul 17 2011 21:12:33 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

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I'm amazed that there are bloggers talking about this "one ecosystem" thing as if it's something new. Microsoft has been questing for this "ein volk, ein reich, ein windows" goal for decades now. A phone and a PC desktop are different devices with different Ui requirements, which is why nobody wants Microsoft's phones, and Android isn't exactly storming the corporate desktop.

There are rumors of Apple making their desktop more phone-like as well, and I think it's a stupid thing for them to do as well.

[#] Mon Jul 18 2011 10:53:00 EDT from fleeb @ Uncensored

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I agree with that. The interface should make sense with the tool's form-factor and purpose. Using a phone's interface for a desktop doesn't make much sense.
If you want to take advantage of the spiffy nifty multi-touch screens coming out for desktop machines, you probably need to do something other than the phone interface, regardless of how successful that interface has been.

Honestly, you could do some very cool things with multi-touch desktop machines, if only someone had the imagination to make it happen. But, ultimately, you'd have to get passed the current keyboard-mouse paradigm... if you can make multi-touch desktop better to use than keyboard-mouse, people will go for it.

[#] Mon Jul 18 2011 12:01:45 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

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The central problem is that using a touch screen display for a traditional upright display is an ergonomics nightmare. These morons need to stop watching Minority Report and thinking that everyone wants to wave their hands in the air all day long to flip UI elements around.

[#] Mon Jul 18 2011 13:38:02 EDT from fleeb @ Uncensored

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I think mult-touch desktop would work better as a table rather than a wall.

[#] Mon Jul 18 2011 14:56:52 EDT from skpacman @ Uncensored

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0NesSYWODmM (Microsoft Surface v2 [tm])

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[#] Mon Jul 18 2011 18:08:29 EDT from dothebart @ Uncensored

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multi touch for your everyday work is an ergonomic nightmare as long as you put screen and touch surface together.

 



[#] Tue Jul 19 2011 19:07:55 EDT from the_mgt @ Uncensored

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I agree to all of the above. Touch interfaces look hip and cool if you flash out your iphone and show off some images. But they are awkward for everything else. I once saw a prof at the university showing off with his touch enabled notebook by underlining stuff in his script. This is so unfluent, unnatural looking and slow, I can't find words for it. It still looks like you did a read line on a photographed text using MSPaint and a mouse.

Touch panels which are ruggadized enough to withstand everyday usage are so unresponsive and crappy, I want to touch them with an axe. My bank uses them for some machines. Also the Deutsche Post uses them on parcel boxes and I managed to freeze one of them today. And it is far to geeky for the regular person, like your parents.

Of course there are exceptions and I heard of some 80 year old guy enjoying an Ipad, but thats not your regular user. My mom still has a hard time getting along with keyboard and mouse. Also if you gave her a touch tft, she'd want to clean it every ten minutes, thats not green it.

I also think that the whole iphone and android (read: touch interface) hype is mainly driven by people not needing to type relevant things: Designers, Marketing Whores, Blogger, etc. They either have a Net/MacBook for writing "long" texts (not scientifically-or-done-by-real-textproducers long!) or have some secretary typing their texts. Virtual keyboards are ok to tweet or write sms, but they suck for constant use. But these people are among the most verbose on the internet and since the old media needs to lap up everything the internet vomits in order to not become extinct, they hype it as well. So instead of going blackberry and give serious users a serious mobile device MS now jumps the wrong train again and will lose their business clients while at the same time not gaining any of the abovementioned hipsters, because they either can afford an iphone or use android (because they can't afford an iphone ;).



[#] Tue Jul 19 2011 22:41:52 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

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Microsoft could *buy* RIM at this point and totally lock up the "enterprise mobile PIM" set. But instead they have engaged in their usual quest for hypersuck.
They really don't seem to understand that no matter how many fashion consultants they hire to dress up their tech people who give talks, nobody considers them a hip and trendy provider of consumer gear. They've done ok with the xbox, but that's about it.

Not only is the desktop becoming less relevant, but nobody who really cares about computers is using Microsoft's desktop anyway.

[#] Wed Jul 20 2011 08:01:30 EDT from dothebart @ Uncensored

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the_mgt, you realy should try swype. one gets pretty quick with that on those virtual keyboards, since most of these touch interfaces don't act good on tapping, but pretty well on dragging your finger across the screen.



[#] Wed Jul 20 2011 10:28:12 EDT from skpacman @ Uncensored

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Wed Jul 20 2011 08:01:30 AM EDT from dothebart @ Uncensored

the_mgt, you realy should try swype. one gets pretty quick with that on those virtual keyboards, since most of these touch interfaces don't act good on tapping, but pretty well on dragging your finger across the screen.



thus why i have a Droid 2 Global. physical slide-out keyboard. swype never hit well with me, kept fumbling my fingers or stopping at the wrong time. swype takes a large amount of practice and the learning curve sucks. 'portrait' style virtual keyboard sucks ass, the landscape touch keyboard is decent, but not great.

I still prefer a physical keyboard for my heavy-demand typing, even if im only using my thumbs. I can type 40+ wpm with my thumbs alone on this phone, 80-90 wpm on a full desktop keyboard.

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[#] Wed Jul 20 2011 10:53:24 EDT from dothebart @ Uncensored

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but next to being expensive, physical keyboards tend to be the weak spot of mobiles.

my htc wizzard died due to me carying it while cycling, and the connection between keyboard unit and display unit  breaking.

just having one brick with as less joints and inroads for sweat, sand, .... is the basic requirement for a durable mobile.

The snapout-keyboards or clamshells are nice, but they prove as archilles heel all the time.

something like a lazer projected keyboard to write on the empty desk would probably be the best thing to have.



[#] Wed Jul 20 2011 11:47:12 EDT from skpacman @ Uncensored

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I've never had that problem, but, then again, I'm not really rough with phones and I keep them as clean as I can. The last phone I had with a slide-out keyboard lasted over 3 years before the connection between the keyboard and main body started to degrade. I've had friends with the same style phone only have theirs last 6 months, but they had children that destroyed the phone for them. It all depends on the person using it. I'm a huge fan of a physical or projected keyboard. virtual on-screen keyboards are my downfall... i fumble with them or hit the wrong key, my typing speed decreases to around 10wpm with an on-screen keyboard because of how un-trained my thumbs are to it.

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[#] Wed Jul 20 2011 15:02:31 EDT from the_mgt @ Uncensored

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I had swype installed, but it didn't have a german language module. Do I have to download that somewhere?

My onscreen keyboard has some feedback when not on energy saving mode, uses the phone vibration, works well for me. Originally I wanted a slideout keyboard too, but the prizes were too high and after testing the onscreen one I decided I don't need it. Also, the same fault-tolerance reasons you mentioned above spoke against a physical one.



[#] Thu Jul 21 2011 05:11:02 EDT from dothebart @ Uncensored

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http://www.reghardware.com/2011/07/08/htc_cha_cha_smartphone/

maybe thats the better option, a durable smartphone with android and keyboard ;-)

last similar HTC device I used at $work was the HTC XCalibur (which wasn't received good by the market, because of it was  running with the "phone" version of windows ce, not the smartphone/touch one.

but it was clearly pointing at the older blackberries too.



[#] Sat Jul 23 2011 08:54:38 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

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That's assuming you're willing to pay the New Microsoft Tax on an HTC Android device. It will be interesting to see how the Barnes & Noble lawsuit pans out. They're not a company that I have a lot of love for, but kudos to them for fighting Microsoft on the Android patent extortion.

Simply by not "settling" in cowardice the way HTC and others have, B&N has forced Microsoft to actually file suit, which forced Microsoft to actually disclose the patents in question. As expected, they're totally lame.

So perhaps a decent path towards getting a reasonably priced but reasonably functional Android tablet would be to buy a Nook Color and reload it with CyanogenMod 7.

[#] Sat Jul 23 2011 15:11:43 EDT from the_mgt @ Uncensored

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I am on Symbian^3 here and I am not planning to give away my soul to saatan/google. At least some decent deal would be the minimum.

Seems there is a workaround for swype on symbian too, will give it a shot.



[#] Fri Jul 29 2011 05:37:42 EDT from Ford II @ Uncensored

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multi touch for your everyday work is an ergonomic nightmare as long
as you put screen and touch surface together.

Yea nobody seems to have noticed that it's hard to see what's on the phone's display while you're using the touch screen.

[#] Fri Jul 29 2011 05:42:59 EDT from Ford II @ Uncensored

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wrong time. swype takes a large amount of practice and the learning
curve sucks. 'portrait' style virtual keyboard sucks ass, the

I got the idea that swype is the next incarnation of grafitti, but worse, because the squiggles don't resemble letters or anything like tht. Once again making the human cater to the machine. Doesn't seem like the right answer to me.

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