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[#] Thu Jun 09 2011 06:36:00 EDT from Nite*Star @ Uncensored

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Yeah, I get that shit ALL the time at work. Drives me batty and you
can't turn it off.

Um, you CAN turn it off -- your sysadmin must just have it set up so you can't make the prefs change.

[#] Fri Jun 10 2011 05:54:06 EDT from Nite*Star @ Uncensored

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This just amuses me to no end, whatsoever. XD

http://social.msdn.microsoft.com/profile/ignatius%20t%20foobar/

[#] Fri Jun 10 2011 14:53:47 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

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Hmm. I don't even remember why I created that login.

[#] Fri Jun 10 2011 17:17:53 EDT from fleeb @ Uncensored

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You probably need something from MSDN.

[#] Mon Jun 20 2011 15:56:37 EDT from skpacman @ Uncensored

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lol -> http://bit.ly/mHnjDt

(Skype axes senior execs before microsoft deal closes)



[#] Mon Jun 20 2011 17:31:16 EDT from fleeb @ Uncensored

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Oh, yeah, I was reading about that earlier, and thinking, "Man, that must suck."

[#] Thu Jun 23 2011 17:59:26 EDT from Ford II @ Uncensored

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I sense a lawsuit.

[#] Mon Jun 27 2011 10:40:23 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

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So how's everyone doing in the effort to migrate away from Skype?

Nearly everyone I video with has moved to Google Talk at this point. And it looks like there's plenty of new code being released that will allow lots of new clients to support Jingle, either through Google or through other servers.

Could end up being a good thing.

[#] Mon Jun 27 2011 11:06:27 EDT from LoanShark @ Uncensored

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Nearly everyone I video with has moved to Google Talk at this point.


Did you push them into that? ;)

[#] Mon Jun 27 2011 13:07:16 EDT from Ladyhawke @ Uncensored

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IG, isn't Google migrating only non-windows-based gtalk to Jingle?



[#] Mon Jun 27 2011 16:34:56 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

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It is true that Google has no plans to convert the existing Windows client to use Jingle protocol. This does not mean that it won't be interoperable, however. Google's servers will be responsible for acting as a protocol gateway.

This is a subject I'm familiar with since I've written an XMPP server. :)
It's fairly straightforward to build a system in which dedicated clients can interoperate with clients using a standards-track protocol. For that matter, I could probably use libjingle to add video to Citadel, but I wouldn't do so unless I was convinced that it would serve some useful purpose.

And yes, I played a role in my friends and family moving to Google Talk.
:)

[#] Mon Jun 27 2011 16:39:39 EDT from LoanShark @ Uncensored

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We use Skype daily for morning meetings...

don't see that changing any time soon

[#] Mon Jun 27 2011 16:52:50 EDT from fleeb @ Uncensored

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I want to get my sister away from Skype, honestly, but so far none of the other clients have worked very well for her.

I wonder if Google Talk has been improved enough that it works better for her now. Hm....

[#] Mon Jun 27 2011 18:53:38 EDT from Ladyhawke @ Uncensored

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Video user meetings!



[#] Mon Jun 27 2011 20:27:52 EDT from wizard of aahz @ Uncensored

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It's not the 1:1 video meetings that matter from skype. You can do that with Yahoo and other things too.. It's the group meetings where multiple people can be in the room typing all the time that really changes things. And I haven't seen those kinds of permanent rooms in other chat clients.



[#] Mon Jun 27 2011 22:38:41 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

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True. However, based on what I've seen in the past, now that Skype is owned by Microsoft, the free world will accelerate its pace to develop a feature-equivalent alternative. Skype for Linux was just "good enough" that no one bothered to do more than the basics. Microsoft's new position alters the battle lines.
Even though Skype's support for Linux was half-assed, Skype wasn't a company interested in destroying all software it didn't control.

[#] Tue Jun 28 2011 12:42:44 EDT from skpacman @ Uncensored

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http://bit.ly/iN1bmZ

[Microsoft Office 365 Goes Live]

Sorry M$..... Google beat you to it.

I've never been a fan of Exchange (I use Citadel) and SharePoint is PointLess (at least for my uses)... so I think I'll just stick with Google Docs and Citadel... thanks...



[#] Tue Jun 28 2011 16:36:04 EDT from Ford II @ Uncensored

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I don't get how gmail will retry to connect when it has problems calling home, but google docs (which strikes me as an equally if not more important application) will hang "trying to contact google." and never come back.

[#] Tue Jun 28 2011 23:22:26 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

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Sorry M$..... Google beat you to it.

Not only that, but they're playing Google's game on Google's home turf. Microsoft *can* win market share here, but it will require going against a lot of their long-held habits. Their strategy seems to be to gain an edge by leveraging the Windows version of Office as part of the same package. I don't know whether that's actually an advantage.

Either way, moving office applications behind the glass is a good thing.
Ultimately it will accelerate the demise of the WindowsOfficePC as the be-all and end-all of end user computing. I don't see even Microsoft's version of a cloud-based office suite being as effective a lock-in tool as the desktop version has been.

Eventually someone will come up with a way to run it on your own server, which won't take much away from Microsoft or Google, but with a portion of the world running it that way, it'll keep things reasonably open. Heck, any decent hacker could probably build a front end to OpenOffice that renders through an HTML5 canvas in a week or so. (Yeah, I've thought about it, and it's out of scope for now.)

[#] Wed Jun 29 2011 09:40:35 EDT from dothebart @ Uncensored

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Di Jun 28 2011 23:22:26 EDT von IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored
Eventually someone will come up with a way to run it on your own server, which won't take much away from Microsoft or Google, but with a portion of the world running it that way, it'll keep things reasonably open. Heck, any decent hacker could probably build a front end to OpenOffice that renders through an HTML5 canvas in a week or so. (Yeah, I've thought about it, and it's out of scope for now.)

thats what oracle tried before letting them go into the apache software foundation; so I guess its a little more work.



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