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[#] Thu Dec 09 2010 17:42:59 EST from Spell Binder @ Uncensored

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You shouldn't have to edit the registry to do that.

You can set the service states by going to Start -> Control Panel. If you're in category view, Performance and Maintenance. Then Administrative Tools -> Services.

Then just double-click on a service and select the new state from the drop-down.

It is somewhat annoying that three different services need to be enabled.
We use some test equipment here that runs on Windows XP and whenever we get a new unit, I have to go in and enable half-a-dozen services to get it properly configured for our environment.
Service Binder

[#] Fri Dec 10 2010 14:18:14 EST from LoanShark @ Uncensored

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Probably it was listed as "Disabled" rather than "Manual" or "Automatic". If it's set to Manual, it still doesn't start when you boot up, but at least you have the *option* to start it manually.

[#] Fri Dec 10 2010 19:24:55 EST from Harbard @ Uncensored

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Actually...I disabled them myself.  As I intend to update only manually, who needs them stealing CPU cycles?  I use the info here:  to configure my dwindling stock of Windoze machines.  I usually endy up with only 8 or so services running.  It really speeds up the machine.  In fact, my laptop is practically unusable with all the auto-updates turned on.  Checking for Windows update, virus checker, driver updates, etc...takes 10 minutes to fully boot.  I finally manged to get Ubuntu to work on it, and now that's all I use unless I want to play a game.


Oh yeah, I did not mean I edited the registry...I did use services.msc.

[#] Mon Jan 10 2011 04:16:19 EST from dothebart @ Uncensored

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did they become portable again? not just portable to an old dug old dusty windows-ente branch they refurbished like the xbox 360?

a brand new hardware architecture?

I guess this is one of the reasons why wince 7 did come _that_ late, they moved manpower over to the regular windows team.

[#] Mon Jan 10 2011 10:32:32 EST from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

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"Portable" Windows will probably not fare all that well. The real "value" of Windows on x86 (if you want to call it value) is the vast library of packaged software available for that platform. Without that software library, Windows on ARM has no advantage. Mac and Linux both have more titles available. In fact, Windows on ARM could even have a bigger disadvantage when people begin buying "Windows" devices thinking that their "PC" software will run on them, and promptly returning the devices which they perceive "are not Windows compatible after all."

I'm sure Microsoft envisioned a future in which all software was 100% Pure .NET and would run on any device. I would even venture a guess that Microsoft built .NET with the intention of lessening their dependency on the Intel PC architecture. However, it isn't going to happen that fast. Even the Windows ISV's who build with .NET are not building "pure, install-anywhere .NET" packages the way many Java developers do. They're building install packages for Intel PC Windows that happen to include a lot of .NET technology.

[#] Mon Jan 10 2011 18:07:50 EST from dothebart @ Uncensored

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heh, yes I guess thats one of the reasons...

but isn't MSI supposed to be the solution therefore?

i'd like to know the current quota of software they're able to run on the c-carpet interpreter...

at least all that basic shit _can_ run on that...

and with forms they created a rather clever UI framework making it rathe easy to create applications using that...

IMHO up to 90 percent of the stuff younger than 4 years will run on the c-carpet interpreter; while most probably less than 40 percent of it is porteable enough to run on the mono interpreter simply by the means of using driveletters and other windowshizms that mono / the mono host doesn't have...

oh, and vista lowered the bar for responsiveness of UI-Apps, so meanwhile you can create the same userexperience with a descent browser, a crappy interpreter like the sun jvm or the microshit c-carpet interpreter as with a native MFC application.

I guess exceptions count adobe photoshop, acrobat reader and autocad which you won't run on a strong arm anyways?

[#] Mon Jan 10 2011 22:29:34 EST from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

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Sure, it's straightforward for Microsoft to use the architecture of its development tools to "gently encourage" ISV's to build "pure .NET" applications. And eventually Microsoft will get on the ball and figure out what Apple and Google figured out a few years ago, and what Debian figured out more than a decade ago -- that a package repository (or "app store" as the kids are calling it these days) is a great way to make the installation experience seamless.


What makes people [believe that they need to] stay on PC-Windows is not the big mainstream application suites. You can get word processing and email and photo editing and solitaire and a web browser on any platform as a native app. The problem is those little domain-specific programs that people have, that were written for PC-Windows and are native code and aren't available for any other platform. Those programs are the obstacles that would keep people from moving to ARM-Windows just as much as keeping them from moving to Mac or Linux.


I doubt Microsoft is porting Windows to ARM with the intention of rolling out ARM-powered desktops and laptops. That would be silly. Instead, view this move as Microsoft's admission that the "PC Era" is indeed coming to an end. Microsoft wants to be in on the next generation of computing, where the bulk of the power is behind the glass (either in the corporate data center or in "teh cloud [tm]" -- doesn't matter which).

That being the case, it would make far more sense to simply roll out their new Vista Phone 7 environment on access devices such as tablets and super-netbooks.
The problem is, as some pundits are suggesting, Microsoft cannot live on the single-digit profit margins of the software stacks they sell for consumer electronics. As a corporation they are addicted to the mega-profits they make from selling $100 operating systems and $500 office suites. Allegedly there is some internal strife over this, and the "big Windows" camp is winning.

Microsoft could theoretically make money on the services side, but demand for Azure is almost as nonexistent as demand for Vista Phone 7. If they were smart, they'd build a server package that serves up an entire online office suite that enterprises and service providers could offer to their own subscribers, but that won't happen because it further cannibalizes their sacred cow of desktop revenue. Someone else is going to have to do it first. Heck, a motivated hacker could probably get the already portable OpenOffice/LibreOffice rendering to a remote HTML5 canvas element with just a couple of days of work.

It's a new game, folks ... the platform shift is happening and the leaders are (finally) changing.

[#] Sun Jan 16 2011 21:02:10 EST from Ford II @ Uncensored

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Someday a farm of servers will be a bunch of old smartphones all tied together.

[#] Tue Jan 18 2011 05:26:42 EST from dothebart @ Uncensored

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maybe starting without a navigation app though in upper price segment is also a reason?

[#] Tue Jan 18 2011 08:04:45 EST from fleeb @ Uncensored

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Could be.

Or it might be the lack of customization, perhaps?

[#] Tue Jan 18 2011 09:33:23 EST from dothebart @ Uncensored

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hm, wasn't customizing your 'homescreen' one of their most praised features?

[#] Tue Jan 18 2011 11:12:10 EST from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

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It seems that no one is really getting excited about Vista Phone 7. And why should they? Because it's from Microsoft? Our non-friends in Redmond still haven't figured out that Microsoft does not have brand loyalty. People who buy Windows do so because they still think that "they have to" or "there is no other choice" ... not because "OMG I love teh Windows and I can't wait to see teh innovative new version!!!1"

They've been shitting on the whole industry for decades and now it's time for them to sleep in the bed they made for themselves. No lock-in? No sale.

Now if Vista Phone 7 was really something exciting then perhaps it might generate some interest, but aside from the people who have invested in it (LG etc) no one really sees that happening.

[#] Wed Jan 19 2011 00:53:06 EST from triLcat @ Uncensored

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you mean "I'll buy this version because maybe it sucks less than the previous version" isn't a sign of brand loyalty...?

[#] Wed Jan 19 2011 11:07:09 EST from Sig @ Uncensored

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There's a fine line between brand loyalty and codependency.

Wed Jan 19 2011 12:53:06 AM EST from triLcat @ Uncensored

you mean "I'll buy this version because maybe it sucks less than the previous version" isn't a sign of brand loyalty...?


[#] Wed Jan 19 2011 16:53:51 EST from fleeb @ Uncensored

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In Microsoft's case, the deathmarch is more enforced as they stop supporting older versions of their operating system... requiring you upgrade OSes occasionally so you can keep the machine from becoming infested.

[#] Wed Jan 19 2011 18:17:34 EST from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

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Old IBM used to soothingly refer to this as "the migration path." And you were expected to continue sending money their way forever, much in the same way that some people simply plan to always have a car payment (lease or otherwise) forever instead of going through periods where the car is paid for. Microsoft has made multiple attempts to get to that position (Software Assurance, anyone?).

[#] Thu Jan 20 2011 04:48:26 EST from dothebart @ Uncensored

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reads a little like "its just a flesh wound"

and... it seems as if android is the primary mobile platform they want to compare too, iphone and blackberry are out of reach...

[#] Thu Jan 20 2011 10:54:07 EST from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

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Remember the late 1990's when Microsoft automatically dominated any market it entered just by leveraging its desktop monopoly?

I'm soooooooo glad those days are over.

[#] Thu Jan 20 2011 11:45:57 EST from dothebart @ Uncensored

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[#] Sun Jan 23 2011 10:39:53 EST from dothebart @ Uncensored

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hm, did something change? googling for something like struct hostent b[r]ings up links to msdn?

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