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[#] Fri Apr 30 2010 22:03:39 EDT from dothebart @ Uncensored

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Fr Apr 30 2010 16:48:56 EDT von Harbard @ Uncensored

 

Sun Apr 25 2010 07:54:09 PM EDT from Ford II @ Uncensored
Yeah, I know about that, but sometimes I forget to do it, think file manager. anybody remember file manager?

Midnight Commander rules...and it is still out there as Gnu tool.

It allways was gpl'ed. and after it jammed subdirectories while copying for me on my Pentium 75 the first time, I switched to pure bash and nevr had any reason to use it again.



[#] Fri May 07 2010 11:34:58 EDT from triLcat @ Uncensored

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ok. I am going to admit this. IG might ban me for it, but I don't hate Windows or Microsoft or Gates.

Gates is a businessman and he doesn't engage in particularly dirty business practices compared to anyone else. He gives loads of charity, and employs thousands of people.

Every OS sucks.

With an OS, you can either want something that will do your bidding or something that will "just work."

Mac "just works" but you can't adjust it to do your bidding.

Linux will do your bidding, but it definitely doesn't work out of the box.

Windows is trying to strike a balance.

Imagine you want a loaf of bread. The Mac bread shop has 2 types of bread, each available with poppy seeds, sesame seeds, or no seeds.

The linux shop has 75 recipes some of which work, 13 ovens, 12 types of flour, 4 types of yeast, eggs in 4 sizes, 3 types of sugar, 6 types of salt, plus nuts, raisins, seeds, chocolate, etc and not all combinations will work together, and if you mess up the rising time, you'll end up with bread that doesn't rise, burns, etc.

 

The Windows shop gives you a dough that will pretty much work, and a bunch of different seeds, raisins, additions, some of which you can't get anywhere else. Their oven is a little glitchy, but you can usually get it to work.

So basically, unless you're a master baker, you're probably better off with the other options. If you want to have any choices, Mac is suckish.



[#] Fri May 07 2010 11:42:37 EDT from fleeb @ Uncensored

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As an OS, Windows is adequate.

As a company, Microsoft is evil. It really, really is. And that's my problem with Windows. It's a product of Microsoft... so it's kind of like buying from Wallmart.

[#] Fri May 07 2010 12:12:15 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

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triL: your analogy is omitting something. Sometimes when you try to bake the Windows bread, your oven suddenly explodes for no reason, destroying your house and killing everyone inside. For some reason, you consider this "normal" and go buy another house, and continue baking Windows bread in it.

[#] Fri May 07 2010 13:31:00 EDT from arabella @ Uncensored

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Unless you're a very cautious Windows bread maker.

 

I know of people who have had problems, some quite serious ones, but for myself, I've had no real issues. and those of my friends who listen when I talk, have had very few that I couldn't fix.

 

I agree that it could be better, but I'm kinda mostly with TriL on this, except for the MS is evil part.

 

I guess what really pees me off most is that there is no real choice for the entry level user. I had to stop using Ubuntu, which I really didn't want to because my connection hardware wont work under it. I still have it on the machine (Dual Boot) but can't get online from there.



[#] Fri May 07 2010 13:31:55 EDT from arabella @ Uncensored

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Apart from the MS isn't evil part

 

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[#] Fri May 07 2010 16:16:01 EDT from Harbard @ Uncensored

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Fri May 07 2010 12:12:15 PM EDT from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored
triL: your analogy is omitting something. Sometimes when you try to bake the Windows bread, your oven suddenly explodes for no reason, destroying your house and killing everyone inside. For some reason, you consider this "normal" and go buy another house, and continue baking Windows bread in it.

Sad to say....the same thing happens with the various flavors of Linux too.  At least I did not put a couple hundred bucks in to it.  Ubuntu 9.10, Fedora 11 (and 12), Linux Mint 8 all seem to crash randomly.  I never was able to get SUSE to work on any machine.  The blame always seems to be pegged on Firefox or Thunderbird or Flash or name your favorite scapegoat.

 

I still need to keep a Windows box running to access the Investor's Business Daily website.  Despite numerous complaints on my part, they assume to world belongs to Windows.



[#] Fri May 07 2010 17:15:11 EDT from Quahog @ Uncensored

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Sad to say....the same thing happens with the various flavors of
Linux too.  At least I did not put a couple hundred bucks in to
it.  Ubuntu 9.10, Fedora 11 (and 12), Linux Mint 8 all seem to crash
randomly.  I never was able to get SUSE to work on any machine. 

That's your experience; mine is completely different.

I've been using Debian since ~ 1995/1996 on a wide variety of hardware (right
now I have it running on a dozen systems) and it has been very dependable.

[#] Fri May 07 2010 17:57:18 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

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I've been around Linux since pretty much the beginning, and I have to say that any complaints that it's an unfriendly geek environment are quite a few years out of date. Especially the more polished desktops like Ubuntu have a tendency to install correctly on the first try, do the job they were intended to do and get out of your way. And isn't that the point?

[#] Fri May 07 2010 19:36:55 EDT from fleeb @ Uncensored

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I'm pretty much with IG on this one.

It's come a long way since the 90s.

It still has some problems here and there (nVidia drivers do not always work smoothly, for example), but overall, it's nicer than ever.



[#] Fri May 07 2010 22:46:02 EDT from Harbard @ Uncensored

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I'm willing to bet most of your experience has been with servers.  The desktop environment has a ways to go yet.  Plus ALL the distros need a default mode where it just works.  Most of us just don't want to mess with a terminal and CLI anymore.

 

Don't get me wrong...I only use Windows for games.  Not many of those anymore even.  Linux is still better than Windows in many respects, even most respects.  But the general population of users just wants to get things done and not think about the OS.



[#] Sat May 08 2010 14:57:42 EDT from triLcat @ Uncensored

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my mom has an Asus Eeeeeee, running some form of Debian.

We couldn't figure out what flavor it was running without serious effort.

Installing VLC player took over an hour for an engineer who works with Linux daily.

If I want to find out what type of Windows I have, I click the My Computer (Computer in Win7), click properties and it tells me in one second.

If I want to install VLC player, I google VLC, tell it I have Win7, download, and click OK a bunch of times.

That's pretty close to "just working"

Yes, Windows gets viruses where Linux doesn't.

But don't even try to tell me that Microsoft is more evil than Apple. Apple is 100x more evil than Microsoft.

 



[#] Sat May 08 2010 23:26:23 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

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Two sides of the same coin, really. Apple has designs on such a nasty level of lock-down that if they actually did control eveything, it would be miserable.
Microsoft is big and bumbling but they're so huge now that they just throw money at things they want to manipulate and often they get their way.

And I don't care what anyone says; these days I think Windows is actually *more* difficult to use than Linux is. Anyone who thinks otherwise is simply so accustomed to Windows and how to work around its problems that they simply don't notice.

[#] Mon May 10 2010 12:06:46 EDT from dothebart @ Uncensored

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Bill Gates is evil (sort of) and get lost with those Charity bullhsit. They're just Investments with higher risk not to give any ROI, or their ROI is to keep value of the rest of his bucks (MS stocks) on a stable level.



[#] Mon May 10 2010 12:10:15 EDT from dothebart @ Uncensored

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Sa Mai 08 2010 14:57:42 EDT von triLcat @ Uncensored

my mom has an Asus Eeeeeee, running some form of Debian.

We couldn't figure out what flavor it was running without serious effort.

The eee's Intent wasn't to be 'hackable' in first place; It was a 'Set-Top-Box' with tiny keyboard & screen installed, to give you a little web & email access.

I quickly dumped what was on my eee to run debian on it, which just worked for me.

It hasn't been a debian (while .deb based) its that Comercial debian spin off once done by Correl.



[#] Tue May 11 2010 15:26:11 EDT from Ford II @ Uncensored

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Evil? You wanna see evil?

http://mail.google.com/support/bin/answer.py?hl=en&answer=10313#

Aside from just flat out breaking the mail spec, it causes people who wouldn't otherwise get a misdirected mail to get it.

[#] Tue May 11 2010 15:48:19 EDT from triLcat @ Uncensored

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holy shlamoly! dots are meaningless?!

my world has crumbled.



[#] Tue May 11 2010 22:52:45 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

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On the other hand, it does make it difficult to forge messages from an existing user.

[#] Thu May 13 2010 11:54:46 EDT from Ford II @ Uncensored

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If I want to find out what type of Windows I have, I click the My
Computer (Computer in Win7), click properties and it tells me in one

I noticed this the other day when I touched my first win 7 machine. They took the "my" out of "my computer"
Which means they're making it pretty obvious that they want you to know it is no longer your computer once you install windows 7 on it.

[#] Thu May 13 2010 11:56:00 EDT from Ford II @ Uncensored

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On the other hand, it does make it difficult to forge messages from an

existing user.

How so?

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