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[#] Thu Jun 04 2009 21:57:17 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

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Not to mention, using a feature like that probably makes your program incompatible with network filesystems. (Microsoft's answer to that, of course, would be "you can use it on a network, as long as you use *our* server")

[#] Wed Jun 10 2009 07:25:34 EDT from dothebart @ Uncensored

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lots of critical bugs fixed, plus some remaining open where already exploits are arround.


[#] Wed Jun 10 2009 16:30:41 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

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That's ok, this is only temporary. Vista 7 will be the most reliable and stable version of Windoze EVAR!!!!1

[#] Wed Jun 10 2009 17:15:27 EDT from fleeb @ Uncensored

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It is, after all, a lucky number.

[#] Thu Jun 11 2009 08:05:04 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

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Here we go ... this makes a lot of sense.

Caitlyn Martin points out that it is Windows, not Linux, that is responsible for the high return rate for Intel Atom based netbooks.

The rationale behind this argument is that because of Windows, people are buying netbooks expecting them to behave like laptop computers. Netbooks were never intended to be small laptops; they were intended to be companion devices.

Microsoft strongarmed the manufacturers into larding up the specs of these machines until they could run Windows XP (badly), while the original Linux designs were purposed-built for a small and lean set of specific applications.

General purpose operating systems run badly on netbooks, because netbooks were never supposed to work that way. It is generally agreed nowadays that Microsoft would prefer if the product category would go away completely.

I'm looking forward to the next generation of netbooks that are equipped with ARM processors, have the extra long battery life of a TRS-80 Model 100, and have no hope of running Windows so Microsoft won't be able to ruin them.

[#] Thu Jun 11 2009 10:07:40 EDT from fleeb @ Uncensored

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What would someone use a netbook for, anyway?

I'm asking out of genuine curiosity. It seems to me that laptops already fulfill some sort of purpose that might be in line with netbooks, but I'm obviously missing something.

[#] Thu Jun 11 2009 10:26:16 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

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I think it would be nice to have a really small computing device that you can tote around for quick access to the 'net, or to play music, or to scribble down some notes ... with really long battery life, and without the burden of maintaining a full-blown OS.

Think "smartphone plus," not "laptop minus."

The reason I mentioned the Model 100 is because that machine was immensely popular with people like journalists and travellers who took advantage of its battery life, which was extremely long when compared to a modern laptop.
Similarly, the next generation of netbooks are expected to have a battery life of around nine hours. This will be accomplished through the use of low-powered ARM processors (which cannot run Windows XP, nor will they be able to run Vista 7) and solid-state storage (which was one of the first things Microsoft killed when they forced Windows into the netbook market).

[#] Thu Jun 11 2009 10:38:39 EDT from Ragnar Danneskjold @ Uncensored

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I've been working on a notebook recently that I loaded Ubuntu on....

Does it work? Yeah. Does the interface still suck more than Windows or OSX? Yep.

And it's little annoying things... That's the thing that sucks. It's always little things.

And self support? Even today, things still suck, because of fragmentation in the Linux market in general. Different package managers, etc. You look up something quick on the net, and it doesn't pertain to your distro.....

Can I get things done? Sure, mainly because I'm not a typical end user.

But, I can see people getting really frustrated, really easily.

BTW, I've played with netbooks with both Windows and Linux loaded. Say what you will, but the stripped down Linux is not what you're going to want in the long run. There's ALWAYS something missing because you thought you could just "get it done quick".

I expect that IG will be proven wrong. Netbook form factor is what people want. Not stripped down devices.

[#] Thu Jun 11 2009 10:45:11 EDT from fleeb @ Uncensored

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Hmm... yeah, I think I could find that intriguing. A super-intelligent 'Kindle' like device that could do a little more for me than simply letting me read books (e.g. write notes, watch movies, listen to music, draw and doodle, etc).

[#] Thu Jun 11 2009 11:30:00 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

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Netbook form factor is desirable, but so is a low price.  When $150 netbooks hit the shelves next year, Microsoft will have a hard time staying in the game.  When they get down to $99 or less, Microsoft's $200 operating system and $500 office suite will be non-starters.  Eventually netbooks will become so cheap that wireless carriers will offer them for free if you sign a two year contract for wireless Internet.

A truly clever wireless carrier might even ship a netbook with a button that turns the device into a WiFi router for any conventional computers that you have nearby.

[#] Thu Jun 11 2009 12:00:31 EDT from Ragnar Danneskjold @ Uncensored

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Bzzzt..... Microsoft's "$200 operating system" is rumored to be as cheap as $35 to OEM's.

And, if the wireless carriers start offering them for free, end users will never see the extra cost involved.

[#] Thu Jun 11 2009 12:05:25 EDT from LoanShark @ Uncensored

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Upgrade versions of Vista Home Basic are available for around $42, and grey OEM versions are available for $80:

[#] Thu Jun 11 2009 12:46:20 EDT from Harbard @ Uncensored

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Thu Jun 11 2009 10:45:11 EDT from fleeb @ Uncensored

Hmm... yeah, I think I could find that intriguing. A super-intelligent 'Kindle' like device that could do a little more for me than simply letting me read books (e.g. write notes, watch movies, listen to music, draw and doodle, etc).

I'm thinking along the lines of a net-tablet or iPhone plus or even a PDA+.  Super long battery life is a must.  My laptop is great....but heavy, large,  and will only last about an hour on battery. Though it might be time for a new battery.



[#] Thu Jun 11 2009 13:58:39 EDT from fleeb @ Uncensored

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I would probably still need a true laptop for much of what I do, unfortunately.

I often find myself logging into a VMWare machine with the source code for some of our products.

[#] Thu Jun 11 2009 14:49:41 EDT from dothebart @ Uncensored

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Me owns two netbooks right now.

I've bought both of them with linux. But, i've put a regular debian on them (os of my choice as you might remember ;-)

Since the EEE with Xandros offers no compilers, and no easy way to get them...

And the Acer Aspire One just comes with a redhad based os, need to say more? ;-)

My Sister has a XP EEE 901, didn't use it, need to test it. But I guess she rather doesn't use a virus scanner, since that makes any kind of windows next to unusable imho.


Microsoft gets less than 35 $ out of 300$, which is _much_ less than you have to pay for a standard vista. So if you cound 1 out of two "netbooks" as an unsold notebook, their claim of loosing money here is pretty right, which serves me well ;-)

I don't own a laptop anymore. The death of my Dell was the right time for downsizing. I have a regular desktop box idling, so the netbook is the much better choice.

Its the optimal companion for couch-potatoing and all kinds of other travel.

The only drawback personaly to me is, that it doesn't last 9hours onr batery, but just 2.

All my collegues are getting laptops now... I personly try to refuse that. My workstation has more screenspace, and entering a meetingroom I prefer to have alocal box there and just do the x-session over to my workstation.

I've already seen (people used to have big pixels) start swearing about their laptop with fullhd on 16" (well me likes small pictures) and telling they can't work on that ... so what to have a laptop for anyway? I prefer to have a satelite to my real environment, like I do with my netbook.

[#] Thu Jun 11 2009 14:58:31 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

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Vista 7 is supposedly slim enough for netbooks, but they sure aren't going to charge $35 for it. Microsoft is desperate to put the cash back into their cash cow. They're hoping to do it by redefining netbooks to be small laptops, but even if they force all of the traditional laptop makers to go there, someone else will step in to fill the void.

The marketplace, like nature, abhors a vacuum. And this is a vacuum Microsoft cannot fill while attempting to maintain its status quo of collecting monopoly rents.

This is one place where a "race to the bottom" is good for everyone. Bing!
Fries are done.

[#] Thu Jun 11 2009 15:04:04 EDT from LoanShark @ Uncensored

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Jun 11 2009 2:58pm from IGnatius T Foobar @uncnsrd
Vista 7 is supposedly slim enough for netbooks, but they sure aren't

I think this is BS. I've tested it in a virtual (apples and oranges with my Vista baremetal setup which has 4 GB; the virtual has 1.5GB allocated.) But I really get the impression that the differences in memory consumption are slight. You'll still need 1GB of RAM just to browse the web, and many netbooks want to ship with 512MB. What Microsoft is doing is playing a semantic game. They are saying it's slim enough for netbooks now, because they predict the average netbook is going to have slightly beefier hardware going forward. So they're just redefining their way out of the problem.

[#] Thu Jun 11 2009 15:11:11 EDT from dothebart @ Uncensored

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windows 7 for netbooks is crippleware.

just 3 "programs" at once. nuff said.

[#] Thu Jun 11 2009 15:26:58 EDT from Ragnar Danneskjold @ Uncensored

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Jun 11 2009 3:11pm from dothebart @uncnsrd
windows 7 for netbooks is crippleware.

just 3 "programs" at once. nuff said.

They've alread undone that.

[#] Thu Jun 11 2009 15:53:00 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

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Of course they undid that ... with standard Windows software such as Hotbar, Bonzi Buddy, Gator eWallet, and Comet Cursor all running at the same time, you wouldn't have any slots left to run Microsoft's own applications.

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