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[#] Tue May 12 2009 12:24:24 EDT from BOFHMike @ My Castle Wall

Subject: behing enemy lines - notes from day 2

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Yesterday was.. um.. interesting.  Found a penguin mixed in with the vendors.. I'll try to get photographic evidance today.

MS anounced W7 by the holidays (I know, that's already been announced on the news)  But they are also announcing Office 2010 for the same timeframe.  (great, another version for customers to wine for.)

Looks like SharePoint is the big push this year.  3 out of 4 vendors have some sort of Sharepoint product or service.  No big technology surprizes yet.  Dell and HP are compeating for having the most efficent servers, Wyse has absolutely NOTHING new to show that we haven't seen last year... oh, the GPU is a bit faster....

Anyone stuck in a MS hell office, the B2 of Service Manager will be out this fall, and is worth a look ONLY if you are using the rest of the MS Systems tools (SCOM/WUS/etc....)  It will require 64bit Server 2008 (as will the rest of the new mangement tools.

 More l8er

-=mike=- 



[#] Fri May 15 2009 11:37:45 EDT from Ian M. Shot @ Haven BBS

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The Sharepoint push started two years ago.   Last year it seemed like half the vendors were pushing Sharepoint solutions.  My co-worker (big MS advocate) is out at TechEd also.   I haven't heard much from him. 

 

Then again I am the strange one here, and work with anything.   Ah well, I have a couple of Linux VMs to go setup.  



[#] Fri May 15 2009 13:22:41 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

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Microsoft clearly wants SharePoint to become VendorLockInPoint -- a difficult product to move away from, similar to the way many organizations have foolishly locked themselves into Outlook and Exchange.

It isn't really happening, mainly because SharePoint does nothing useful.

[#] Sat May 16 2009 00:33:31 EDT from Ford II @ Uncensored

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I laugh at livedrive. Lots of dot com startups made sharable drives, no possible revenue model, and they all went away.
Even google isn't doing it.

[#] Sat May 16 2009 23:52:04 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

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$56 per year for 100 MB is a revenue model. It's still doomed to fail, though.
"I
am trusting all of my data to *who*? And when will they go out of business?"

[#] Mon May 18 2009 00:51:15 EDT from the8088er @ Uncensored

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56 for 100 MB?
I get 10 GB from Apple for 99 a year

[#] Mon May 18 2009 14:50:19 EDT from Ian M. Shot @ Haven BBS

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Actually SharePoint has some really good ideas.   Document version control, sharing of documents without each user having a different version, Wikis and Blogs out of the box, having your calender and inbox on your home page.   The issue with SharePoint is the execution of the ideas.  Yes it is another way for Microsoft to lock in businesses into Microsoft products.  

 

But I still think there are some really great ideas within SharePoint.  



[#] Mon May 18 2009 18:27:02 EDT from dothebart @ Uncensored

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doesn't sound that new to me, just like some other things boiled together?

 



[#] Mon May 18 2009 23:44:27 EDT from Ford II @ Uncensored

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$56 per year for 100 MB is a revenue model. It's still doomed to fail,


I thought it was free. My mistake.

[#] Tue May 19 2009 09:30:42 EDT from Ian M. Shot @ Haven BBS

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I never said it was new, Microsoft started Sharepoint in 2001, but it is the combing of ideas that makes it so interesting.  In 2002 when I tried to find something simular within the Open Source community I couldn't' find any one package, I found tons of things where they were all seperate, and not integrated that would do the same type of things sort of. 

 I think it is the putting together and integrating that makes it work.  The things I listed is only part of what SharePoint does.   The only thing I have found that is close, is Google Docs, and in some ways Google Docs is more advanced than Sharepoint.  Live editing of a document with mutiple people editing it at once, Sharepoint doesn't have that yet.  

Mon May 18 2009 06:27:02 PM EDT from dothebart@uncnsrd (Uncensored)

doesn't sound that new to me, just like some other things boiled together?

 



[#] Tue May 19 2009 17:59:52 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

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That sounds like Microsoft's usual game. Integration, lots of integration ... so much integration that you're locked into the entire Microsoft world and you can't get out.

[#] Tue May 26 2009 04:01:38 EDT from arabella @ Uncensored

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Needs no words



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[#] Wed May 27 2009 00:28:58 EDT from Animal @ Uncensored

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url?

[#] Wed May 27 2009 04:43:15 EDT from arabella @ Uncensored

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[#] Wed May 27 2009 14:19:20 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

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Today I'm troubleshooting a WINS/Browser problem on an Active Directory network.

On ACTIVE DIRECTORY.

Which has existed for TEN FUCKING YEARS.

Why does the slapped-together technology which AD was designed to replace, still exist?!@!!

[#] Wed May 27 2009 15:03:36 EDT from fleeb @ Uncensored

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I could swear I was reading up on that just a couple of days or so ago, when I was studying samba.

It's amazing how much you can learn about Windows networking when you read about Samba.

[#] Wed May 27 2009 15:17:48 EDT from skpacman @ Uncensored

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Wed May 27 2009 02:19:20 PM EDT from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored
Today I'm troubleshooting a WINS/Browser problem on an Active Directory network.

On ACTIVE DIRECTORY.

Which has existed for TEN FUCKING YEARS.

Why does the slapped-together technology which AD was designed to replace, still exist?!@!!


They're still using old technology because they're afraid of change... if it worked before they don't want to change it for fear of M$ saying "uh...  that didn't work... your network is dead until YOU figure it out..."

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[#] Wed May 27 2009 16:11:15 EDT from fleeb @ Uncensored

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I thought AD still required WINS to some degree.

[#] Wed May 27 2009 17:32:00 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

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It's amazing how much you can learn about Windows networking when you

read about Samba.

I suspect the Samba people understand CIFS better than Microsoft, actually.
They actually had to make sense of it, whereas Microsoft merely trusts old crufty code that still happens to work.

I also discovered today that Cisco's implementation of CIFS, used for the file browser in their WebVPN portal, contains Samba code. But it's a broken implementation of Samba, which requires NetBIOS-over-TCP/IP to be enabled on the server. This is stupid. Samba hasn't needed that for ages, so why is Cisco still implementing it that way?

[#] Tue Jun 02 2009 18:41:39 EDT from dothebart @ Uncensored

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