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[#] Wed Apr 22 2009 18:14:13 EDT from Ragnar Danneskjold @ Uncensored

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Maybe, maybe not. Remember Palm's entry into the space? PC manufacturers are already making all of the components necessary.

[#] Wed Apr 22 2009 18:36:33 EDT from dothebart @ Uncensored

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once pandoras box was opened (by asus...) they got more sales here than the others, so they _had_ to do something.

there is a microsoft "os" running on ARM... Relative stable and ok. WinCE.

Though you won't get a fullsize office or a 'virusscanner' on that, it'd be sort of in the same (or even worse) position as linux: "its not windows"

and, while there might be some wince apps, they're mostly targeted at mobile phones. I don't know if there are still SPS frontends running under wince...


and, next to the 'desktop alien' Unix in the clothes of linux with X11 there paired with the ARM returning to the same space a dozend years after... interesting scenario...


[#] Wed Apr 22 2009 19:18:39 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

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Just because Palm bungled their move upmarket doesn't mean everyone else will.
Consider how many people who aren't willing to spend $400 for a machine that's been fattened with extra memory and disk to run Windows, who might be able to swing the $100 for Skytone's "Alpha-680" running Android.

And the market isn't just for super-small devices, either. Set top boxes are on the way, for example the one Motorola has started building for the Japanese market.

Personally, I would love to own a machine with an ARM processor, the Android operating system, and a Commodore 64 form factor. The glory days of home computing revived! Plug it into your television and your home network ... for $100 it would really go far.

In the end, a monopolist whose business model depends on high margins and vendor lock-in cannot survive against commoditization. Microsoft has executed well so far in blocking threats to its cash cow, but with the hardware getting cheaper and cheaper, it can't last forever.

And remember the old adage: if you don't cannibalize your own business, someone else will.

[#] Thu Apr 23 2009 23:38:51 EDT from Ford II @ Uncensored

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Companies don't like to destroy their own businesses if they can avoid

it. Don't look for big drops any time soon.

The obvious counter to that is I better cannibalize my business before somebody else does, because that's what actually happens.

[#] Thu Apr 23 2009 23:41:06 EDT from Ford II @ Uncensored

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$15 on a $100 is a 15% tax that's a lot, You don't pay 15% tax when you buy a car. or anything else expensive or cheap, I think $15 is a hard sell if somebody can work up a decent linux install for 50 cents (to cover the cost of building the distro, if one doesn't already exist)

[#] Thu Apr 23 2009 23:43:30 EDT from Ford II @ Uncensored

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Personally, I would love to own a machine with an ARM processor, the

Android operating system, and a Commodore 64 form factor. The glory
days of home computing revived! Plug it into your television and your

home network ... for $100 it would really go far.

And I want to buy a mac. I kind of really do, but I just can't see spending a 100% premium becuase it has a picture of an apple on it. I just don't get how they get away with that.

[#] Fri Apr 24 2009 02:45:00 EDT from dothebart @ Uncensored

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In germany we have 19% "Mehrwertsteuer" which you have to pay on everything but food and animals ...

so you actualy pay more than 19% taxes.

[#] Fri Apr 24 2009 08:24:02 EDT from Ragnar Danneskjold @ Uncensored

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And I want to buy a mac. I kind of really do, but I just can't see
spending a 100% premium becuase it has a picture of an apple on it. I

just don't get how they get away with that.

Unless you're used to buying generic PC's, if you're buying name brand, Apple really isn't more expensive than anyone else.

I own a bunch of Macs, and I couldn't be happier.

[#] Fri Apr 24 2009 10:00:39 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

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Wait, didn't Ballmer just get done telling us that there's a 1000% "Apple Tax" to use their products? And don't users demand the Windows "experience" ?? Monkey Boy wouldn't lie to us, would he?

[#] Fri Apr 24 2009 13:51:22 EDT from Peter Pulse @ Uncensored

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I am very tempted by the netbook idea. I played around with a couple of them in Best Buy yesterday.. the old eee, the newer eee, and the HP 1000. The HP was very small and very sexy, the keys are as big as they could possibly make them in that size computer, not too bad at all. Keyboard feel was decent, not amazing. The downside of this unit was the 8.9 inch screen, which was sharp but hard on the eyes.. big border around, which seems a shame. The old eee (on sale $329) has a much nicer sized screen, 3 x USB, regular VGA connector (HP has proprietary thing that might have soem cool shit eg DVI but that is not that useful after I lose or break the dongle). The eee style wise is rather blah and does not feel as sexy as the HP, but looks like more room has been set aside for battery.. which is what a netbook is all about, portable operation right? Without having to carry all kinds of crap with you. The new eee has the chiclet keyboard which is a large improvement, it has better keyboard feel than the others and seems much less fragile. I am curious to try some of the other ones, eg Samsung, Acer etc. Right now, a netbook that can run XP is actually something I can use because the software I use for my sound system is Windows only. One thing I forgot to mention.. HP has 16G flash drive, eee has 160G (!) conventional drive.. for $350! It's nuts. eee has some kind of 10G additional storage they are touting.. I don't know if that is flash or some kind of on-line storage service they are giving you a free trial of or whatever.

Anyway, anyone with commentary on other models? I'm not intending to buy any time really soon but maybe in June the time will be right since I am going away for 6 days and would love to have something small that can still run my sound software.

[#] Fri Apr 24 2009 15:26:41 EDT from Ragnar Danneskjold @ Uncensored

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I played with a Lenovo, and it was just downright sexy. It was higher priced than others, and just over $400.

I'm waiting for one that has a an ExpressCard/34 slot. If that happens, I can use my cellular card, and I'll be very, very happy.

[#] Fri Apr 24 2009 15:38:47 EDT from Peter Pulse @ Uncensored

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Yea, I haven't seen the Lenovo yet. $400 or so isn't bad for what you get, but I think there is a reason most of these netbooks hover around the $350 mark.. definite psychological barrier to spending more on such a device when I also need to own a regular laptop.

[#] Fri Apr 24 2009 15:51:42 EDT from Ian M. Shot @ Haven BBS

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I have one of the Asus eee PC 900s on its way to me.   It is running Linux.  The SSD drive is only 4GB, but what all do I need on it?  an MP3 Pllayer, Web browser, mail client since I don't use webmail.  I have a large SD card to use as my home directory, and I can back that up to a USB drive in case the card goes bad.  I'll post a review once I have had it for a little while an play with it.  


Though I think I will be upgrading the Xandros to Ubuntu Easy Peasy.  

[#] Fri Apr 24 2009 16:14:03 EDT from Peter Pulse @ Uncensored

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Looks like they have a deal code for 10% off the Lenovo if you buy it from their site. Free "standard" shipping. So $409 - 10% = $368.10 shipped.. not bad for what you get. They are saying it has the PCI Express.

[#] Fri Apr 24 2009 16:22:40 EDT from Ford II @ Uncensored

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Unless you're used to buying generic PC's, if you're buying name

I bought one machine in my life a 486/33 in 1992 when my gti was stolen, and I pounded out my NYTI BBS on it in the three weeks before I bought my bishi.
I paid $1200 (machine plus monitor plus drive) and I've regretted it ever since.
Now I pay $130 for a new motherboard when my current one fries every 5-6 years. I just can't see paying real money for a computer anymore. It depreciates faster than my z4.

[#] Fri Apr 24 2009 16:28:02 EDT from Ford II @ Uncensored

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I sort of got for my birthday a retired thinkpad x31. I had to get a new drive for it. 40gig, $39. Battery lasts 3 hours if you don't beat on it. It's really small and light and pretty snappy running xp with 512 meg in it (I take what I can get)
It goes for about $100 on ebay. You need a small laptop, this is a good deal, Ithink.

[#] Sat Apr 25 2009 21:47:00 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

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That's the thing -- most of us do just fine with a machine that is a generation or two old. Unless you're editing video or doing cutting-edge gaming, you just don't *need* a new machine all that often.

Just wait -- things are going to get even worse if you're a monopolist who depends on OS preloads for revenue. Once everything goes virtual (and it will), a lot more people will want blank machines that they can just load a hypervisor onto and move their old machine's image over. This will start in the data center but it'll eventually find its way onto the desktop too.

By the way, Microsoft just announced that their new Windows is going to come with a virtualized Windows XP inside it, just like Apple did with OS 9 inside the original OS 10 (X). (The difference, of course, is that Apple needed to support a completely different OS architecture, while Microsoft is simply copping out on making two different suckage domains work together even though both are Win32.)

[#] Sun Apr 26 2009 07:43:11 EDT from dothebart @ Uncensored

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here we have another pointer on the truth our prophet RMS once pointed out:

don't call it win32, its w32, caus its not a win. and i'd say here its rather loose32, caus it should be going 64 bit for a while now.

[#] Sun Apr 26 2009 11:37:22 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

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Hmmph. Sometimes RMS can be as bad as PETA when it comes to lame attempts to reframe the debate.

[#] Wed Apr 29 2009 09:41:56 EDT from BOFHMike @ My Castle Wall

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Forgive me IG for I am about to sin.

My Employer is sending me to Tech-Ed (yes, Microsoft Tech Ed)

I'm trying to think of ways to vindicate myself.  I was thinking Red Fadora, Perhaps a weeks worth of penguin shirts, or better yet, a bunch of shirts w/ RTOOS! across the front and back.

Any ideas?  I don't think it would be appropriate to hire a stripper to take my place.. ;)  <of the weird referance in case anyone is wondering>

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