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[#] Tue Apr 21 2009 11:42:40 EDT from triLcat @ Uncensored

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maybe because I'm not doing anything with it (firefox, openoffice, tweetdeck), but my vista machine is behaving nicely. No complaints about it from me. I mean, I'm aware that it's evil and all that, but remember, serial killers can also be quite friendly and kind-seeming.



[#] Tue Apr 21 2009 12:09:05 EDT from fleeb @ Uncensored

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My boss has been okay with Vista as well, until this trade show where he discovered how truly slow it can be when it comes to doing something as simple as copying a file.

He offered a relatively public apology to me about my attitude regarding Vista after that experience.

I don't see Microsoft correcting all of this, unfortunately. But I'm not sure if people will migrate away from Windows to something else. I suppose, if Microsoft so badly bungles the OS that nobody can get anything done, it might happen.

[#] Tue Apr 21 2009 16:58:22 EDT from dothebart @ Uncensored

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so windows seven... lipstic...



[#] Tue Apr 21 2009 17:07:33 EDT from fleeb @ Uncensored

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It just needs high heels.

[#] Wed Apr 22 2009 09:37:00 EDT from dothebart @ Uncensored

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http://www.techflash.com/Tough_economy_puts_Microsoft_on_verge_of_historic_moment_43346987.html

hm. whats their entertainment cashcow? is it xbox 360 finaly throwing off some money? zune and the other shit was abandoned, right?

 



[#] Wed Apr 22 2009 11:44:44 EDT from dothebart @ Uncensored

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interesting:

http://blogs.computerworld.com/will_microsoft_blow_its_netbook_lead_with_windows_7_crippleware

$40 to $90 opportunity cost per netbook with winxp.



[#] Wed Apr 22 2009 16:27:54 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

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The current crop of netbooks aren't really netbooks anyway. Microsoft pushed the manufacturers into beefing them up so they could run Windows XP. That's not a netbook, it's a small, underpowered laptop.

A true netbook should look and act more like the original Eee.

The next generation of netbooks should prove to be interesting. ARM processors, seven to nine hour battery life, and a price tag in the $100-200 range. Purpose-built Linux environments such as Android and Moblin will thrive on these. Windows just won't work here. Even if Microsoft ported Windows to ARM, they'd still price themselves out of the market, and they'd still have no competitive advantage because the existing library of x86 Windows software wouldn't run on it.

[#] Wed Apr 22 2009 17:06:24 EDT from Ragnar Danneskjold @ Uncensored

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From what I understand, Microsoft is charging $15 for Windows XP that is going on netbooks. I wouldn't call that pricing themselves out of the market.

[#] Wed Apr 22 2009 17:38:38 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

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Windows XP at a $15 price point is a stopgap measure to hold off Linux. From what I've read they plan to set the price point for Windows 7 at $40 to $50.

When netbooks begin to cost $100 the profit margin will be thin enough that even $15 for an operating system will be outrageously inappropriate.

And $100 netbooks are definitely going to arrive.

[#] Wed Apr 22 2009 17:53:00 EDT from Ragnar Danneskjold @ Uncensored

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Don't be so sure. Netbooks are hurting standard laptop sales. Companies don't like to destroy their own businesses if they can avoid it. Don't look for big drops any time soon.

[#] Wed Apr 22 2009 18:05:17 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

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The game-changing, disruptive-tech netbooks won't come from PC manufacturers.
They'll come from handset manufacturers looking to move into that space.
Think Nokia, not Dell.

[#] Wed Apr 22 2009 18:14:13 EDT from Ragnar Danneskjold @ Uncensored

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Maybe, maybe not. Remember Palm's entry into the space? PC manufacturers are already making all of the components necessary.


[#] Wed Apr 22 2009 18:36:33 EDT from dothebart @ Uncensored

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once pandoras box was opened (by asus...) they got more sales here than the others, so they _had_ to do something.

there is a microsoft "os" running on ARM... Relative stable and ok. WinCE.

Though you won't get a fullsize office or a 'virusscanner' on that, it'd be sort of in the same (or even worse) position as linux: "its not windows"

and, while there might be some wince apps, they're mostly targeted at mobile phones. I don't know if there are still SPS frontends running under wince...

 

and, next to the 'desktop alien' Unix in the clothes of linux with X11 there paired with the ARM returning to the same space a dozend years after... interesting scenario...

I'LL BE BACK!



[#] Wed Apr 22 2009 19:18:39 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

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Just because Palm bungled their move upmarket doesn't mean everyone else will.
Consider how many people who aren't willing to spend $400 for a machine that's been fattened with extra memory and disk to run Windows, who might be able to swing the $100 for Skytone's "Alpha-680" running Android.

And the market isn't just for super-small devices, either. Set top boxes are on the way, for example the one Motorola has started building for the Japanese market.

Personally, I would love to own a machine with an ARM processor, the Android operating system, and a Commodore 64 form factor. The glory days of home computing revived! Plug it into your television and your home network ... for $100 it would really go far.

In the end, a monopolist whose business model depends on high margins and vendor lock-in cannot survive against commoditization. Microsoft has executed well so far in blocking threats to its cash cow, but with the hardware getting cheaper and cheaper, it can't last forever.

And remember the old adage: if you don't cannibalize your own business, someone else will.

[#] Thu Apr 23 2009 23:38:51 EDT from Ford II @ Uncensored

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Companies don't like to destroy their own businesses if they can avoid

it. Don't look for big drops any time soon.

The obvious counter to that is I better cannibalize my business before somebody else does, because that's what actually happens.

[#] Thu Apr 23 2009 23:41:06 EDT from Ford II @ Uncensored

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$15 on a $100 is a 15% tax that's a lot, You don't pay 15% tax when you buy a car. or anything else expensive or cheap, I think $15 is a hard sell if somebody can work up a decent linux install for 50 cents (to cover the cost of building the distro, if one doesn't already exist)

[#] Thu Apr 23 2009 23:43:30 EDT from Ford II @ Uncensored

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Personally, I would love to own a machine with an ARM processor, the

Android operating system, and a Commodore 64 form factor. The glory
days of home computing revived! Plug it into your television and your

home network ... for $100 it would really go far.

And I want to buy a mac. I kind of really do, but I just can't see spending a 100% premium becuase it has a picture of an apple on it. I just don't get how they get away with that.

[#] Fri Apr 24 2009 02:45:00 EDT from dothebart @ Uncensored

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In germany we have 19% "Mehrwertsteuer" which you have to pay on everything but food and animals ...

so you actualy pay more than 19% taxes.



[#] Fri Apr 24 2009 08:24:02 EDT from Ragnar Danneskjold @ Uncensored

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And I want to buy a mac. I kind of really do, but I just can't see
spending a 100% premium becuase it has a picture of an apple on it. I

just don't get how they get away with that.



Unless you're used to buying generic PC's, if you're buying name brand, Apple really isn't more expensive than anyone else.

I own a bunch of Macs, and I couldn't be happier.

[#] Fri Apr 24 2009 10:00:39 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

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Wait, didn't Ballmer just get done telling us that there's a 1000% "Apple Tax" to use their products? And don't users demand the Windows "experience" ?? Monkey Boy wouldn't lie to us, would he?

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